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At The Back => The Dressing Room => Topic started by: Johnny Mac on December 04, 2009, 08:28:00 PM
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http://new.uk.music.yahoo.com/blogs/touchingthevoid/19324/rage-against-the-x-factor/
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Laughable.
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I'd rather see everybody buy Slade's Merry Xmas Everybody.
Slade remain maybe one of the top 5 bands I ever saw live - they knew how to work an audience
Taught Kiss everything they knew
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Hes telling us to buy a song with '$%&# you I wont do what you tell me' as its main mantra.
I'm confused.
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huh.............
I wonder what Tom Morello thinks about this.............
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huh.............
I wonder what Tom Morello thinks about this.............
"Well, that'll make me a couple quid."
I'd imagine, easy to be a socialist when your minted.
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huh.............
I wonder what Tom Morello thinks about this.............
"Well, that'll make me a couple quid."
I'd imagine, easy to be a socialist when your minted.
+ 1 for that.
The fact that so many people watch programs such as X-Factor and even text message their votes to it while they know they're being scammed kind of proves my theory that a large part of the population is moronic.
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huh.............
I wonder what Tom Morello thinks about this.............
"Well, that'll make me a couple quid."
I'd imagine, easy to be a socialist when your minted.
to be fair, Rage had the same views before they achieved any kind of success.
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huh.............
I wonder what Tom Morello thinks about this.............
"Well, that'll make me a couple quid."
I'd imagine, easy to be a socialist when your minted.
to be fair, Rage had the same views before they achieved any kind of success.
True dat. But they didn't really stick to them when Sony knocked at the door...
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Give me Morello over St. Bono any day of the week.
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huh.............
I wonder what Tom Morello thinks about this.............
"Well, that'll make me a couple quid."
I'd imagine, easy to be a socialist when your minted.
to be fair, Rage had the same views before they achieved any kind of success.
True dat. But they didn't really stick to them when Sony knocked at the door...
agreed, but do you want to breach your message to the converted or to the masses? - thats what signing with a major gave them the opportunity to do. there is always compromise, its inevitable.
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Give me Morello over St. Bono any day of the week.
Damn straight!!!
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I read an interview with Tom Morello once.
He's a very intelligent guy and I can actually agree with alot of his views. Unfortunately some things in socialism only work in theory.
It has the same fatal flaw as kapitalism.
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Well, I'm up for 70p-worth of middle-finger stuck up at Cowell ;)
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What is X-Factor?
:lol:
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What is X-Factor?
:lol:
Laughable :D
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Well, I'm up for 70p-worth of middle-finger stuck up at Cowell ;)
Me too, it's only a bit of fun. I wonder if its cheaper than a Strictly come X dancing vote?
The Facebook group is at 342, 536 members at the time of posting, having gone up over 2500 members in around 30 minutes as well I noticed.
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http://www.nme.com/blog/index.php?blog=10&title=rage_against_the_machine_for_christmas_n&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1 (http://www.nme.com/blog/index.php?blog=10&title=rage_against_the_machine_for_christmas_n&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1)
Cowell will still make money off it, haha!
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it's at number 2!!!!
http://www.livehits.co.uk/
30p or something on amazon apparently
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LOL. Just bought a copy myself. :D
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Haha, Rage Against the Machine are #1 in the following download charts currently:
Amazon.co.uk
Play.com
HMV.co.uk
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http://www.nme.com/blog/index.php?blog=10&title=rage_against_the_machine_for_christmas_n&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1 (http://www.nme.com/blog/index.php?blog=10&title=rage_against_the_machine_for_christmas_n&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1)
Cowell will still make money off it, haha!
Well, he wont make money from it.. anyway, that 'reporter' should stfu and stop taking himself so seriously - reading that gave me the same feeling I get when I have constipation.
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Well, he wont make money from it.. anyway, that 'reporter' should stfu and stop taking himself so seriously - reading that gave me the same feeling I get when I have constipation.
What do you expect? He's an NME journalist! ;)
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I never read the NME and if that pretentious, anti hero, trendy article is anything to go by I wont start :lol:
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I never read the NME and if that pretentious, anti hero, trendy article is anything to go by I wont start :lol:
The part that annoyed me was when he said 'its a seventeen year old song!' as if that somehow makes it redundant.
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do you think rage against the machine will be making an appearance on xmas top of the pops? :D
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Well, this subject made the 6:00 news on the BBC. It's made the No1 spot according to some sources.
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I have a feeling the X Factor song will overhaul it in the next few days, but it'd be funny if it didn't.
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I have a feeling the X Factor song will overhaul it in the next few days, but it'd be funny if it didn't.
It's got up Cowells nose already, with him saying "Its stupid and cynical" Which is exactly why this sort of thing happened in the first place. Hello, Mr Greedy Bollocks, there are other music fans out here, not just your karaoke goons.
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I have a feeling the X Factor song will overhaul it in the next few days, but it'd be funny if it didn't.
Yeah, i reckon it'll take over it this weekend, but i'm surprised it's gone this far to be honest!
Could be a christmas surprise
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love the promo video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2AYUqVNSsY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2AYUqVNSsY)
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Th facebook group has vanished but another one sprung up rather quickly. I think this campaign is going to succeed!
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It's the fact that X Factor /pop idol or whatever has completely replaced Top Of The Pops or whatever we all used to watch and follow that offends me most because:
that most of the public see the music industry as just the artists on X Factor and ignore all the other musical choices
that Simon Cowell is the winner no matter who wins
that he will chose a song that maybe he has the rights to
that he will engineer it so he gets a playing fee as well - maybe just for banging a tambourine in the background
(for which he stands to earn as much as the singer)
OK - we had rubbish chart-toppers in the past at Xmas - Mr Blobby etc, but for it to be Cowell's lackeys year in and year out is getting tiresome
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I don't have enough involvement with the mainstream pop culture for it to piss me off but that itself speaks volumes.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO0Auo50A1A&NR=1
lol
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Oh man I almost pissed myself watching that, haha! Some of my cornflakes ended up spat all over my desk. :lol:
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RATM live on Radio 5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiiQPqmYE1A
Make sure you wait for the last minute. :lol:
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haha awesome
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I love this sort of thing. It's about as British as anything gets. We'll quite happily spend our hard earnt money just to wind up someone who we've never met. Look what happened with John Sergent. Immature and purile but pure class, that's what being British is all about. :lol:
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I love this sort of thing. It's about as British as anything gets. We'll quite happily spend our hard earnt money just to wind up someone who we've never met. Look what happened with John Sergent. Immature and purile but pure class, that's what being British is all about. :lol:
That made me feel very patriotic :lol:
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Prefer this version of it, again went out live on saturday morning
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV0YUzdG158 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV0YUzdG158)
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Prefer this version of it, again went out live on saturday morning
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV0YUzdG158 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV0YUzdG158)
Nice try but... WTF?
Totally misses the point and becomes MUZAC. :?
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http://www.rathergood.com/climb
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Anyone happen to catch this?
The BBC got Rage Against the Machine to play the song live on 5 Live, and it seems like they asked the band not to do the sweary bit at the end, but they go and do it anyway:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8418158.stm
And then the one presenter, having just cut the band off after letting 4 expletives out on air, cuts them off and tells everyone to go buy the X-Factor single instead. I thought the BBC had impartiality rules against that kind of thing...
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Anyone happen to catch this?
Look 7 posts above yours. ;)
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Oh yeah... :lol:
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Prefer this version of it, again went out live on saturday morning
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV0YUzdG158 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV0YUzdG158)
Nice try but... WTF?
Totally misses the point and becomes MUZAC. :?
I have to agree. That was dreary and, to be honest, pretty painful to listen to.
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I never read the NME and if that pretentious, anti hero, trendy article is anything to go by I wont start :lol:
The part that annoyed me was when he said 'its a seventeen year old song!' as if that somehow makes it redundant.
I think the point is WTF choose an old American song to get behind (awesome though it is). If we can't come up with a current British act to get behind then maybe we should STFU moaning about X-Factor. This campaign would be far more meaningful if it were supporting some highly talented emerging British artist, as it is it makes us sound like our parents going "that's not proper music, you should listen to some politically charged rap metal" .
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I never read the NME and if that pretentious, anti hero, trendy article is anything to go by I wont start :lol:
The part that annoyed me was when he said 'its a seventeen year old song!' as if that somehow makes it redundant.
I think the point is WTF choose an old American song to get behind (awesome though it is). If we can't come up with a current British act to get behind then maybe we should STFU moaning about X-Factor. This campaign would be far more meaningful if it were supporting some highly talented emerging British artist, as it is it makes us sound like our parents going "that's not proper music, you should listen to some politically charged rap metal" .
That's a really good point that hadn't occurred to me. I do think the sentiment is right though.
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I don't think the point is to say "here's something better than the X Factor". How would you ever get agreement on something that subjective anyway?
It didn't need to be RATM, it didn't even need to be anything good.
It's just getting behind something - anything - to tell Simon Cowell he doesn't actually have total control of the entertainment and music industry (even though he's increasingly convinced he does).
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This campaign would be far more meaningful if it were supporting some highly talented emerging British artist
^ +1
I've been saying this every time the whole RATM/X-Factor discussion has come up recently. I accept that the actual band used to front this two-fingered-salute at Cowell is pretty irrelevant, but it would've been better for a UK band to have received the free publicity (and royalties).
At least we know that RATM are passing the proceeds to Shelter, so the money is going to good use.
There should be a website where a single is backed/bought each week in this same manner and we send an otherwise unlikely band to the top spot. Imagine Lawnmover Deth's Watch Out Grandma being played on Radio1 :lol:
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There should be a website where a single is backed/bought each week in this same manner and we send an otherwise unlikely band to the top spot. Imagine Lawnmover Deth's Watch Out Grandma being played on Radio1 :lol:
Hey... If you develop that idea a little more and keep it national, put together some good administration and a competant management team, possibly a charismatic frontman to spearhead it and you've just invented....
The X Factor. :?
Triffic..... PDT_038
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It didn't need to be RATM, it didn't even need to be anything good.
Exactly. I would have been just as happy buying The Birdie Song to stick two fingers up at Cowell. ;)
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I mentioned this on another forum somewhere, it would be way better if the public nominated one unsigned act who had a single available and spam the buy button on that every christmas. That way, we inject new blood into the public view, get something very different in the charts and make some hard working up-and-coming musician(s) have a nice christmas surprise. :D
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I mentioned this on another forum somewhere, it would be way better if the public nominated one unsigned act who had a single available and spam the buy button on that every christmas. That way, we inject new blood into the public view, get something very different in the charts and make some hard working up-and-coming musician(s) have a nice christmas surprise. :D
But how would that work? Who'd decide on the shortlist? How would people who'd never heard of these unsigned acts be made aware of them?
Even if we managed to do it, wouldn't it be a bit unfair on the thousands of other unsigned acts? This one act would have an advantage more because of the way it was chosen than because of the quality of the music. Just like an X Factor Christmas single in fact.....
People keep saying "let's find a good song by a little known artist and put it in the Christmas charts". But can't we do that already? There's nothing stopping us.
Maybe we could all find our own favourite little known artists - or even well known artists - and buy their songs. We could add up the sales every week and call it "The Charts". :wink:
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We should just agree to have Slade and Roy Wood at #1, alternating each year.
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We should just agree to have Slade and Roy Wood at #1, alternating each year.
Now that I can agree with. :D
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You mean Simon 'It's not fair...' Cowell?
"Joe deserves to be number 1..."
I like the idea of Slade/Wizard and maybe The Pretenders too - just make sure this largesse does not extend to Chris de Burgh.....
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Just so bored of this...RATM couldn't they have got a great song instead of a dated one(liked it first time around) but surely if going for old why not a british classic..like the stones...etc(just an example)..and although not an X factor fan is it fair to stop some young kids career/shot at fame even if he is only around for christmas
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^ i disagree with that logic. xfactor is stopping plenty of other people from getting their shot at fame. It's not a vacuum, if x factor gets the number one, someone else doesn't.
We should just agree to have Slade and Roy Wood at #1, alternating each year.
haha, yeah. and maybe throw in the darkness every fifth year for a laugh.
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^ i disagree with that logic. xfactor is stopping plenty of other people from getting their shot at fame. It's not a vacuum, if x factor gets the number one, someone else doesn't.
We should just agree to have Slade and Roy Wood at #1, alternating each year.
haha, yeah. and maybe throw in the darkness every fifth year for a laugh.
I was thinking about Shakin Stevens (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8cT3gielw8) myself, but why not eh?
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http://twitter.com/tmorello/status/6819904919
Awesome :D
Apparently this is a recent Kerrang article:
In related news, X Factor winner Joe McElderry has blasted the LA political rockers claiming they're not even good enough to "get through boot camp on the X factor."
"They're just shouting!" he told The Sun. "They can't be serious! I had no idea what it sounded like [before]. It's dreadful and I hate it.
"How could anyone enjoy this?" he added. "Can you imagine the grandmas hearing this over Christmas lunch? I wouldn't buy it. It's a naught out of ten from me."
The battle for the Christmas chart ends tonight at midnight.
:lol:
Joe McElderry can sod off!
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Being fair I do sort of sympathise with his viewpoint as I find RATM very tiresome. Doesn't change the fact that he is being completely ignorant to dismiss them (though I suspect his words were probably coming from his management or were changed to suit the sensationalist sensibilities of the Sun).
We've had weirder No#1s anyway; Another Brick in the Wall Pt.2 was a christmas single, Fairytale of New York is about a domestic abuse callout, etc.
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missed this post yesterday. :oops:
I don't think the point is to say "here's something better than the X Factor". How would you ever get agreement on something that subjective anyway?
It didn't need to be RATM, it didn't even need to be anything good.
It's just getting behind something - anything - to tell Simon Cowell he doesn't actually have total control of the entertainment and music industry (even though he's increasingly convinced he does).
exactly. and the fact that the band is called "rage against the machine", and the song has *that* lyric at the end, it's sort of symbolic, in a bash-you-over-the-head-with-it kind of way.
I was thinking about Shakin Stevens (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8cT3gielw8) myself, but why not eh?
hey, we can let him in too :lol:
and wow, that's fairly tough talk from mcelderry. What a moron. I'm not even a big fan of RATM (i consider them "decent to good"), and what he said there is just retarded. It's also something of a freudian slip, if you ask me- it's about the charts, not x-factor.
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It's just getting behind something - anything - to tell Simon Cowell he doesn't actually have total control of the entertainment and music industry (even though he's increasingly convinced he does).
I'm just in favour of this just to be trolling Simon Cowell. He's rattled by it, as are the rest of the X-Factor lot.
The fact that this whole thing, whether it succeeds or not has brought legions of people together to stop this happening for another year makes me feel all Christmassy, actually.
Last word is that Blandy McBland might still get there. He's something like 10,000 ahead of RATM last count.
Still, this has been fun. Same time next year?
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Whether they get the top spot or not, it's a huge statement that a lot of people are fed up with Cowell and his nonsense.
The campaign has also so far rasied over £60k for Shelter, which is awesome: www.justgiving.com/ratm4xmas (http://www.justgiving.com/ratm4xmas)
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http://twitter.com/tmorello/status/6819904919
Awesome :D
Apparently this is a recent Kerrang article:
In related news, X Factor winner Joe McElderry has blasted the LA political rockers claiming they're not even good enough to "get through boot camp on the X factor."
"They're just shouting!" he told The Sun. "They can't be serious! I had no idea what it sounded like [before]. It's dreadful and I hate it.
"How could anyone enjoy this?" he added. "Can you imagine the grandmas hearing this over Christmas lunch? I wouldn't buy it. It's a naught out of ten from me."
The battle for the Christmas chart ends tonight at midnight.
:lol:
Joe McElderry can sod off!
hahahah what a gigantic c--k! That type of comment just reinforces the belief that these fruits don't have an effin clue about music in the bigger picture. Since when did musicians turn into $%&#ing teenage know it all car sales men?
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Can't really understand why some folks are trying to make out this should have been done completely different.
Why don't you start a revolution from your computer?
The reason they chose this song is becuase it says f$%k you at the end which is a message to Cowell. Do you really think an up and coming unsigned band would have sold any records? I say do it yourself next year, prove me wrong and pick your favourite British act.... you only need a Facebook account, lets see how for your ideals get then!
An alternative rock song nearly breaks the Xfactor Christmas monopoly and all I hear is moaning about what it could have been.
Joe McElderry can sod off and take his XFactor boot camp with him!
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+1
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aahahah RATM are number 1 :lol: :lol:
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Listening to Radio 1 was so tense :lol: I want my free gig!
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Is that the job done then? - RATM are xmas no.1 ????
I think there will be MASSIVE demand for tickets if they follow through with this free gig - wonder if Knebworth is free :lol:
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I was wondering whether they'd be able to allocate them to people who'd paid for the single, then just do it randomly. Probably too much effort though :lol:
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Haha, that's tremendous! :lol:
And fair play:
McElderry, 18, praised the campaign, adding: "It's been exciting to be part of a much-hyped battle and they definitely deserve congratulations."
I'm sure he's not that bothered - winning the show is the main point of the X Factor, then you just hope the public don't lose interest immediately. His single will probably be no.1 next week anyway.
But Simon Cowell will be FURIOUS. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Cowell's gonna drop Joe McElderry like a f***ing hot brick.
Anyway, Hitler REACTS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO0Auo50A1A
The Hitler vid's been done to death, but you gotta love this.
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haha, awesome :D
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Here's the unedited performance that the BBC cut short (can't think why) last week:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUPYIShaX1s
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Lets hope X Factor gets cancelled as a result of this - along with Pop Idol and Big Brother and Im a w**ker Get me Out of here and all the other shite on TV - Or is that just dreaming.....
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I've been amusing myself by reading some of the posts on the Joe Mcwhatever forum - http://www.joemcelderry.com/index.php/board,1.0.html.
The following quote 'Rage Against the Machine and the couple who started the campaign will be the ones who killed xmas.' taken from this thread http://www.joemcelderry.com/index.php/topic,1180.0.html is my favourite so far.
I find fanboys and girls and whatever they're supporting baffling.
The admin on there looks like they could be pushed into a breakdown given some more goading.
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I wouldnt have mind if it was Justin.. Beyonce.. not even JEDWARD. But this? Gosh.
What RATM fans don't see is, The Climb may not be christmassy, but people can actually relate to it in a personal way.
It's amazing to think that there are people who think Beyonce, Rihanna, Justin, Leona etc are the absolute pinnacle of recorded music. And Killing In The Name is "the worst song in musical history".
Has it never crossed their minds that there's something just a little "unfair" about the X Factor automatically getting the Christmas No.1 every year, regardless of the artist or the quality or the (cover) song? Thereby destroying the inconsequential but enjoyable tradition of speculating on who'll achieve the Yuletide hot spot?
What the hell, they're entitled to their opinions. But it's hilarious. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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The Anarchists have called war on the X-Factor and all of its artists!
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=204765269721&ref=ts#/group.php?v=wall&ref=ts&gid=204765269721
I draw your attention to lets stop x-factor from ever getting a number 1 again a sentence that seems to apply to any time of the year and to any X Factor related artist.
I think its time all Joe/Leona/Alex/Shayne and JLS fan came together to fight against this campaign
Hey! WTF??!!!
What about Steve Brookstein and Leon Jackson?
That's discrimination!
:lol: :lol:
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These people are allowed to vote. But what is even more scary, if they can tear themselves away from the TV and the computer they can also breed!
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'It just makes me love him even more now. This was a battle of good v evil, and it sums up the state of the country that evil has won the day again, but there will be karma in the future. Joe needs to keep his head down, and work hard, and he'll be rewarded in the future.'
This comment made me laugh. I'd hate to think what they'd do when faced with the taliban on the frontlines of afghanistan.
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'It just makes me love him even more now. This was a battle of good v evil, and it sums up the state of the country that evil has won the day again, but there will be karma in the future. Joe needs to keep his head down, and work hard, and he'll be rewarded in the future.'
This comment made me laugh. I'd hate to think what they'd do when faced with the taliban on the frontlines of afghanistan.
Shipping them off there would be a good idea. The population needs a cull from what I can see.
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What in the name of $%&# is going on in that forum?
It seems if your posts arent insipidly sacharid and polite you get edited and and/or banned? Vitriol against ratm and the people that bought killing is fine though.
WTF
I know forums arent free speech; they're privately held, but they seem to be going a bit incredibly way too far.
My personal favourite was some cretin (I think it was an admin; cant find it again now) saying that 'they dont understand that joes song has personal meaning to people'.
Hehehe
And people bought Killing because they just dont get what the songs about.
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The hitler vid is pure gold, btw.
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the tag line thingy on one of the mods avatar is 'may be a member of joes family' or something to that affect, so that says it all really
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Makes me laugh more that they actually believe this guy who won X factor really will be world successfull, will be known through out history as the the greatest artist ever and deserves to be number 1.
Some idiot even said that Simon Cowell wasn't in it for the money (I actually replied to this statement, explaining how delusional she must be to think some one like him actually cares about people and doesn't want to earn as much money as he can, even though he lives in houses in the UK and US worth millions of pounds and has his own label.)
RATM are apparently a 'flash in the pan' too, even though they've had alot of succuess for the past 15/16 years.
I try hard to not be annoyed by people this stupid, but it really is hard not to.
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My favorite quote off that forum... "RATM is just a flash in the pan.."
Oh the irony. :lol:
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You bloody beat my post by a second !!!
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I'm glad I'm not the only one who finds that somewhat odd. It seems to be a bit Stepford Wives in there, and they all seem very clean and shiny.
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I'd love these people to read about the work that Zack, Tom and Co have done to combat injustice, support charities and fight discrimination... but I doubt half of them are even literate enough to understand what PMRC means.
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Also, why does every other post seem to be from a mod?
How much moderation does one board need?
Rage being a flash in the pan is ironytastic :lol: (But I think that board is mainly populated and run by 13 year olds)
One of them said that Rage wont (older post) be number one because simon cowell wont let it happen. I dont even think they were joking either. (then again its hard to tell)
http://www.joemcelderry.com/index.php/topic,1172.0.html
N11
Post N13 is also somewhat mindboggling. Negativity is NOT ALLOWED. Beatings will continue until morale improves.
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You bloody beat my post by a second !!!
not quick enough mate :P
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Here's the unedited performance that the BBC cut short (can't think why) last week:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUPYIShaX1s
I rather enjoyed that!
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The people who follow X factor and all the other mind numbing drivel on TV these days, seem to me to be molded to a certain template. Just like the fast food industry works its customers, the X factor does the same with theirs. From cradle to the grave, customers for life. Lining the pockets of a grabby little freak!
I couldn't stop laughing when I heard RATM had the number 1 spot. I hope this is the beginning of the end!
:D
My girlfriends daughter just can't understand why I don't like X factor, so does my girlfriend too to be honest, brainwashed! Its so far reaching these days too. I did explain a bit without trying too sound cynical but got shot down as bah humbug! :lol:
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Anyone know the figures?
Can't say I am at all interested in either acts, but it represents something a little different from the music industry
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Anyone know the figures?
Can't say I am at all interested in either acts, but it represents something a little different from the music industry
Rage Against The Machine Killing in the name 502,672
Joe McElderry - The Climb 450,838
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http://www.joemcelderry.com/index.php/topic,1171.msg20284.html#msg20284
<Derek and Clive>Who you calling carnt, CARNT</Derek and Clive>. Sorry I can't help myself, I've had a couple of mothers ruins.
Also try saying that comment aloud. I carnt...
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Anyone know the figures?
Can't say I am at all interested in either acts, but it represents something a little different from the music industry
Rage Against The Machine Killing in the name 502,672
Joe McElderry - The Climb 450,838
That could well be more than the X Factor single would've sold without the competition to drive sales. So in one sense Cowell may have won after all.
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hannahd:
We best accept it now. The odds are heavily stacked in RATM's favour.
I will be astonished if Joe wins this thing now.
Mark (Senior Moderator):
hannahd, honestly if I see one more negative post from you, I won't hesitate to delete your posts. This is NOT confirmed.
Hannah, you negative $%&#ing BITCH, how dare you spread your HATRED and LIES on our forum!! This is NOT the real world!!
:lol: :lol:
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The people who follow X factor and all the other mind numbing drivel on TV these days, seem to me to be molded to a certain template. Just like the fast food industry works its customers, the X factor does the same with theirs. From cradle to the grave, customers for life. Lining the pockets of a grabby little freak!
I couldn't stop laughing when I heard RATM had the number 1 spot. I hope this is the beginning of the end!
:D
My girlfriends daughter just can't understand why I don't like X factor, so does my girlfriend too to be honest, brainwashed! Its so far reaching these days too. I did explain a bit without trying too sound cynical but got shot down as bah humbug! :lol:
I dont get them either. I know exactly what you mean. *Some* people (really rather a lot actually) lap up this plastic soulless lifeless cr@p. It mystifies me as to why. X-Factor is a precision-calculated marketing device designed to create disposable one-hit-wonders with zero long term appeal so the whole insidious thing can start again with another bunch of pollished turds next year, thus maximising profitability and long term tenability.
Its great business, if you look at it in a machiavellian sort of way.
People that take it in in the way those imbeciles on the Joe whatsisname forum have are either *ahem* mentally challenged or remarkably niave.
Shobet described it quite well, imo.
If you've ever watched Dollhouse - they sort of remind me of the Dolls. Non-people, innocent and helpless, waiting to be imprinted with devotion for one of a number of meticulously crafted human products otherwise known as 'x-factor contestants'. This time next year they'll all have forgetten this joe fella and will have latched onto the next thing.
EDIT: IMO, of course. Wouldnt want to be negative.
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I would think the members of that forum are of the 12 year old girl variety, so you can write most of that stuff off as uneducated ramblings, thankfully.
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I would think the members of that forum are of the 12 year old girl variety, so you can write most of that stuff off as uneducated ramblings, thankfully.
I guessed as much.
I find it hard to believe that the mods, who are the worst offenders, are all hormonally challenged metally deficient teens, though.
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Shall we all enter next year?
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I find it hard to believe that the mods, who are the worst offenders, are all hormonally challenged metally deficient teens, though.
They sure as hell sound like they are. The mods are probably three fans who set up that forum, and they've probably only got 50 other members.
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I find it hard to believe that the mods, who are the worst offenders, are all hormonally challenged metally deficient teens, though.
They sure as hell sound like they are. The mods are probably three fans who set up that forum, and they've probably only got 50 other members.
Actually, yes they do, youre right.
I suppose I want to believe that there are actually adults involved with that board, posting some of the drivel, so I can have a legitimate target for my ire :lol:
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I can't say that I am a fan of RATM but I support this campaign for the reasons that everyone else does. I have never seen this joe person perform and I doubt whether I shall so I can't judge him but it is the whole concept of X Factor and the automatic Christmas No 1 assumption that is cynical not the campaign. Cowell is an annoying creature and if this gets him p*ssed then it makes me happy.
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Shall we all enter next year?
Time to re-open that Bare Knuckle Album forum, perhaps? I was well up for that, or at least a couple of songs, hehe.
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I can't say that I am a fan of RATM but I support this campaign for the reasons that everyone else does. I have never seen this joe person perform and I doubt whether I shall so I can't judge him but it is the whole concept of X Factor and the automatic Christmas No 1 assumption that is cynical not the campaign. Cowell is an annoying creature and if this gets him p*ssed then it makes me happy.
Eggzaktly.
Also in favour of irking cowell, but in all fairness hes probably made more money from his products acolytes buying more singles to compensate for the competition.
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My mischievous and impertinent side makes me want to join that forum and see how quickly I can get banned
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Also in favour of irking cowell, but in all fairness hes probably made more money from his products acolytes buying more singles to compensate for the competition.
This sets a precedent though.... Cowell's such a control freak, he may hesitate to release next year's X Factor single at Christmas, for fear of it all happening again.
I'm not saying this is the death knell for the show, but you never know.... it might push him into some decisions he might not have made otherwise. It's interesting to see him on the defensive.
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My mischievous and impertinent side makes me want to join that forum and see how quickly I can get banned
Do it! Use some nice user name or his nan (who I think is the admin) will not let you join. I believe that she's run out of sherry and is seriously $%&#ed off that little whatshisname had been kept of the top of popular charts by some brown people from the former colonies.
I give you a life expectancy of around 40 seconds.
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Anyone know the figures?
Can't say I am at all interested in either acts, but it represents something a little different from the music industry
Rage Against The Machine Killing in the name 502,672
Joe McElderry - The Climb 450,838
That could well be more than the X Factor single would've sold without the competition to drive sales. So in one sense Cowell may have won after all.
And isn't he somehow tied into the Sony group, who RATM are signed with?
I quite like the idea of an MP3 #1, all legal and that. Could be quite a cornerstone
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My mischievous and impertinent side makes me want to join that forum and see how quickly I can get banned
I'm considering it too. Just trying to think of a decent thread or response to a post.
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Here's the unedited performance that the BBC cut short (can't think why) last week:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUPYIShaX1s
I rather enjoyed that!
+1, that was great. So the beeb asked them not to say f*ck and them got all upset and pulled the plug when RATM didn't do as they were told... hadn't the beeb listened to the song?
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Here's the unedited performance that the BBC cut short (can't think why) last week:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUPYIShaX1s
I rather enjoyed that!
+1, that was great. So the beeb asked them not to say f*ck and them got all upset and pulled the plug when RATM didn't do as they were told... hadn't the beeb listened to the song?
Perhaps the prodcuer assumed that they would follow the rules. Whatever it was there appears to have been some bad judgement on the BBCs part. I think it is very funny.
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Here's the unedited performance that the BBC cut short (can't think why) last week:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUPYIShaX1s
I rather enjoyed that!
+1, that was great. So the beeb asked them not to say f*ck and them got all upset and pulled the plug when RATM didn't do as they were told... hadn't the beeb listened to the song?
Perhaps the prodcuer assumed that they would follow the rules. Whatever it was there appears to have been some bad judgement on the BBCs part. I think it is very funny.
Mr de la Rocha got about 4 good "fook yous" in before they pulled the plug on the Beeb's broadcast. I suspect someone was deliberately a little lazy about hitting the killswitch in the Five Live studio ;).
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They rejected me when I tried to register :(
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Here's the unedited performance that the BBC cut short (can't think why) last week:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUPYIShaX1s
I rather enjoyed that!
+1, that was great. So the beeb asked them not to say f*ck and them got all upset and pulled the plug when RATM didn't do as they were told... hadn't the beeb listened to the song?
Perhaps the prodcuer assumed that they would follow the rules. Whatever it was there appears to have been some bad judgement on the BBCs part. I think it is very funny.
Mr de la Rocha got about 4 good "fook yous" in before they pulled the plug on the Beeb's broadcast. I suspect someone was deliberately a little lazy about hitting the killswitch in the Five Live studio ;).
nice jcm800 split reverb too...
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Tom's live tone is always thin and shite :( Great on the albums though, especially the 1st.
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Everything about RATM live is woeful, never mind the guitar sounds.
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They rejected me when I tried to register :(
I don't know why, but on first reading this I thought you meant registering for the x-factor. I can just picture it...
Cowell: So Mr Nfe, what are you going to sing for us?
Nfe: I'm going to sing a nice little ditty by Anaal Nathrakh called Between shite And Piss We Are Born.
Cowell: hmm, doesn't sound very contemporary pop, do you have another song?
Nfe: Swarming Vulgar Mass of Infected Virulency?
Cowell: who? what?
Nfe: err, how about some Cannibal Corpse?
Cowell: security!!!
For next years xmas single we should back Napalm Death, I love that band - they just keep putting out quality releases year after year. Imagine Persona Non Grata at the top spot?
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Anyone know what label John Lennon's "Imagine" is tied to? I'd be happy to endorse that as next year's number 1. Beautiful song with some food for thought.
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They rejected me when I tried to register :(
I don't know why, but on first reading this I thought you meant registering for the x-factor. I can just picture it...
Cowell: So Mr Nfe, what are you going to sing for us?
Nfe: I'm going to sing a nice little ditty by Anaal Nathrakh called Between shitee And Piss We Are Born.
Cowell: hmm, doesn't sound very contemporary pop, do you have another song?
Nfe: Swarming Vulgar Mass of Infected Virulency?
Cowell: who? what?
Nfe: err, how about some Cannibal Corpse?
Cowell: security!!!
For next years xmas single we should back Napalm Death, I love that band - they just keep putting out quality releases year after year. Imagine Persona Non Grata at the top spot?
"I" would be the ultimate christmas number one.
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Personally I rather like Morrello's 'thin' tone (not being from the post Slash generation, I quite like thin tone in general), but I could never quite get into RATM entirely, even when I was into hardcore the first time came RATM were about.
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How come Zach de La Rocha has turned into Bubbs from The Wire?
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My mischievous and impertinent side makes me want to join that forum and see how quickly I can get banned
I'm considering it too. Just trying to think of a decent thread or response to a post.
Perhaps a thread along the lines of "lets not forget that RATM write their own songs and for that they should be saluted. Joe should take note and start penning his own tunes"
Although it's entirely factual and not malicious I imagine it would be removed within minutes and I would be banned from the forum.
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They rejected me when I tried to register :(
They're a bit cannier than they seem, then! :P
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menamestom,
Regrettably, your application to join Joe McElderry Unofficial Fan Site has been rejected.
Regards,
The Joe McElderry Unofficial Fan Site Team.
How could they spot from my username alone that I was planning to spread hate, negativity and homophobia?
They certainly are cannie!
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Anyone know what label John Lennon's "Imagine" is tied to? I'd be happy to endorse that as next year's number 1. Beautiful song with some food for thought.
that song and the video for that song, make me physically sick.
Inside Out was the best Rocha related band by far.
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Anyone know what label John Lennon's "Imagine" is tied to? I'd be happy to endorse that as next year's number 1. Beautiful song with some food for thought.
that song and the video for that song, make me physically sick.
I have to agree. Sugary bilge (a musical "style" which I usually associate more with McCartney than Lennon).
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Maynard James Keenan's version, then. :lol:
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Everything about RATM live is woeful, never mind the guitar sounds.
WHAT!?!?!??!?!
Admittedly I've never seen them live but from what live videos I've seen I would call it bad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0qPK-1sYtw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0qPK-1sYtw)
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They rejected me when I tried to register :(
I don't know why, but on first reading this I thought you meant registering for the x-factor. I can just picture it...
Cowell: So Mr Nfe, what are you going to sing for us?
Nfe: I'm going to sing a nice little ditty by Anaal Nathrakh called Between shitee And Piss We Are Born.
Cowell: hmm, doesn't sound very contemporary pop, do you have another song?
Nfe: Swarming Vulgar Mass of Infected Virulency?
Cowell: who? what?
Nfe: err, how about some Cannibal Corpse?
Cowell: security!!!
For next years xmas single we should back Napalm Death, I love that band - they just keep putting out quality releases year after year. Imagine Persona Non Grata at the top spot?
I want to back Big Church by Sunn 0))).
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My personal favourite was some cretin (I think it was an admin; cant find it again now) saying that 'they dont understand that joes song has personal meaning to people'.
Hehehe
And people bought Killing because they just dont get what the songs about.
yeah, i think that was my favourite part. :lol: of course an insipid cover of an already insipid song about pseudo-inspirational guff will have more personal meaning than a political song written by an overtly political band. :roll:
also, i think my IQ and faith in humanity has gone down upon checking out that forum. Thanks.
the tag line thingy on one of the mods avatar is 'may be a member of joes family' or something to that affect, so that says it all really
i think that's a bit like the welterweight etc. thing here on this forum (how active you are, in other words), but maybe that was your point. :lol:
I try hard to not be annoyed by people this stupid, but it really is hard not to.
+ infinity
wouldn't really want imagine by john lennon to be next year's, not a major fan of lennon (or the beatles), and not a major fan of that song. Needs to be a song that's mainstream enough to get people behind it, but which is also a bit subversive. Also would be good if it weren't on sony, or a related label. RATM was perfect apart from being on sony. :lol:
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wouldn't really want imagine by john lennon to be next year's, not a major fan of lennon (or the beatles), and not a major fan of that song. Needs to be a song that's mainstream enough to get people behind it, but which is also a bit subversive. Also would be good if it weren't on sony, or a related label. RATM was perfect apart from being on sony. :lol:
Aye I'm not a massive fan of the song per se, but it'll appeal to a much wider audience than RATM and will easily get double the sales of the x-factor winner.
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I think this would be an ideal candidate for next year's song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dF2ZLq7oBk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dF2ZLq7oBk)
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Personally, i think this is a gem!
'Hi guys,
I've come over from the RATM For Number 1 group - Please don't ban me or anything, I'm simply here to ask how we 'cheated' in your words?
I've been on the radio defending the group in the past week as well as emailing a few news outlets that seem to have missed the point of the group.
- I'm not a troll, please don't give me abuse I'm simply here to talk, I don't hate Joe or any fans of Joe
Ian / SK'
'IAN DO NOT WHITEWASH YOUR PROPAGANDA ON HERE
You seem blind to the hate , bullying and abuse thats everywhere on the internet posted by RATM campaigners.'
lol.
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I'm not wild about the RATM song but I am just overjoyed to have a chart topper that has guitar bass and drums featured so heavily.
Yes it's two fingers up to Simon Cowell (who many of us are tired of) but it is a wake up call to the music industry , TV stations and the way music is promoted here in the UK.
Music should be more than a reality TV show with only a couple of top executives benefitting from it.
It is actually worse now than the 1980/90s dominance of Stock, Aitkin & Waterman and their endless hit parade
It will inspire a few more kids to pick up a guitar or start playing drums hopefully, and not assume the only route to musical success is via Simon Cowell's programmes - XFactor/ Pop Idol/ BGT/ etc etc
And actually RATM does at least have a bit of attitude
Kind of like this country being overdue for another bout of Punk Rock (and not just the carefully orchestrated variety that Malcolm Maclaren gave us)
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Personally, i think this is a gem!
'Hi guys,
I've come over from the RATM For Number 1 group - Please don't ban me or anything, I'm simply here to ask how we 'cheated' in your words?
I've been on the radio defending the group in the past week as well as emailing a few news outlets that seem to have missed the point of the group.
- I'm not a troll, please don't give me abuse I'm simply here to talk, I don't hate Joe or any fans of Joe
Ian / SK'
'IAN DO NOT WHITEWASH YOUR PROPAGANDA ON HERE
You seem blind to the hate , bullying and abuse thats everywhere on the internet posted by RATM campaigners.'
lol.
Precious little bar-stewards aint they?
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^ indeed. :lol: apparently irony and hypocrisy aren't in their dictionaries.
Aye I'm not a massive fan of the song per se, but it'll appeal to a much wider audience than RATM and will easily get double the sales of the x-factor winner.
yeah, i know, i realise you sometimes have to win however you can. Just my feeling is that, if something at least a bit more obscure than john lennon managed to win this year, it might manage it next year, too. might need to have a couple of expletives, though. :lol:
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They rejected me when I tried to register :(
I don't know why, but on first reading this I thought you meant registering for the x-factor. I can just picture it...
Cowell: So Mr Nfe, what are you going to sing for us?
Nfe: I'm going to sing a nice little ditty by Anaal Nathrakh called Between shiteee And Piss We Are Born.
Cowell: hmm, doesn't sound very contemporary pop, do you have another song?
Nfe: Swarming Vulgar Mass of Infected Virulency?
Cowell: who? what?
Nfe: err, how about some Cannibal Corpse?
Cowell: security!!!
For next years xmas single we should back Napalm Death, I love that band - they just keep putting out quality releases year after year. Imagine Persona Non Grata at the top spot?
I want to back Big Church by Sunn 0))).
or maybe some Earth, but it would probably be the following Christmas by the time the song had finished :lol:
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And it has to be under 15 minutes.
That's why Big Church is the answer. All the cats harping about how RATM isn't music, well, that will sort them out 8)
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No Joy - Khanate
No Joy for simon cowell at least
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'Sister Ray' by The Velvet Underground would sort the men from the boys - me likey!!! 8)