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At The Back => Time Out => Topic started by: Sollophonic on June 09, 2010, 03:32:49 PM
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My Teles are appropriately decorated for the duration of Englands participation in the World Cup
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k7/andys_01/CmonEnglandTele2.jpg)
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k7/andys_01/CmonEnglandTele3.jpg)
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New scratchplates.............. or a bit of red tape?
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Looks interesting, shame they wont be on for longer than a week ;)
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Looks interesting, shame they wont be on for longer than a week ;)
Fingers crossed. :lol:
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Looks interesting, shame they wont be on for longer than a week ;)
Fingers crossed. :lol:
+1 :lol:
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England is going to have a great WC, your team is better than Brazil...
Brazilian team is the biggest joke I've ever seen in my life... If Drogba plays, we are under risk of getting off on the first part of WC...
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I really hope england go out ASAP.
I CANNOT stand football its one of the biggest wastes of time ever.
Bunch of sweaty blokes running around and playing with each other in a field..... ...says it all
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I really hope england go out ASAP.
I CANNOT stand football its one of the biggest wastes of time ever.
Bunch of sweaty blokes running around and playing with each other in a field..... ...says it all
Right now on a football forum, theres probably someone saying a similar thing about playing guitars :)
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I really hope england go out ASAP.
I CANNOT stand football its one of the biggest wastes of time ever.
Bunch of sweaty blokes running around and playing with each other in a field..... ...says it all
Right now on a football forum, theres probably someone saying a similar thing about playing guitars :)
I strongly suspect they couldn't give a flying $%&# about blokes playing guitars - especially not for the next month. :P
If there's ever a globally-televised Guitar World Cup, then they might start moaning about it.
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now tha would be awesome
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You miserable bunch!
No, I don't give a cr@p about footie either, but the World Cup is fun, and the plight of England is always a fascinating journey.
I shall be watching, and shall be enjoying it!
Mark.
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Yeah sorry folks, I'll be watching and rooting for England in their matches. I'd get lynched at work if I never. Though I got Portugal as my team for the staff sweepstake, do I have a chance at winning?
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Yeah sorry folks, I'll be watching and rooting for England in their matches. I'd get lynched at work if I never. Though I got Portugal as my team for the staff sweepstake, do I have a chance at winning?
Yeah, a slim chance.
I'm in a fairly similar situation - I'm mostly Welsh, but I've lived and worked in England for 25 years so I will be supporting England (let's face it, Wales will never qualify for the World Cup again).
But a funny thing happens during the actual matches.... if England go a goal down, the commentators are sounding worried, Rooney goes red-faced and starts shouting abuse at everyone.... then I find it hilarious and start rooting for the opposition. Sorry.
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i wouldn't mind supporting england (as long as you aren't playing against NI, Ireland, Scotland or Wales), it's what happens after you win which gets annoying. EDIT: and also before the match.
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I am not a fan of the beautiful game that much but a lot of the lads at work are getting very excited and I must admit that they are quite endearing in their enthusiasm- not just for England but they talk of other teams in respectful terms. For what it is worth, I have always supported whichever British team is in it. I remember years ago passionately supporting Scotland as one of my best friends is Scottish and his enthusiasm was infectious. If it raises morale then that is good in my view. As long as the best team wins and there are no "hand of God" moments then it'll be good-though I doubt whether I will be watching. many of the games-I shall be out of the country for 2 weeks soon in any event.
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I've really been looking forward to the World Cup, though I'm not a massive footy fan per se.
As it happens, I'm gigging on the first AND second England games which, knowing England, may well leave me with only one other match to watch them in.
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As it happens, I'm gigging on the first AND second England games which, knowing England, may well leave me with only one other match to watch them in.
Might also leave you with a depleted audience? :wink:
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I've booked off 2 weeks from work so I can watch every game.
I'm English and and England fan but rather than get too upset about what happens to England I just want to soak up lots of great football from countries around the world, great atmosphere and beer :D
I've even upgraded my TV from an old 21" CRT to a new fangled LCD TV just for the viewing experience!
Fernando,
Brazil always look dodgy before a world cup, you trick us into thinking you're not very good then cruise to the final. Not always a bad thing though as there's always a few good shots of nice Brazillian ladies dancing samba style in the crowd :D
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Fernando,
Brazil always look dodgy before a world cup, you trick us into thinking you're not very good then cruise to the final. Not always a bad thing though as there's always a few good shots of nice Brazillian ladies dancing samba style in the crowd
Hear, hear!
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I am not a fan of the beautiful game that much but a lot of the lads at work are getting very excited and I must admit that they are quite endearing in their enthusiasm- not just for England but they talk of other teams in respectful terms. For what it is worth, I have always supported whichever British team is in it. I remember years ago passionately supporting Scotland as one of my best friends is Scottish and his enthusiasm was infectious. If it raises morale then that is good in my view. As long as the best team wins and there are no "hand of God" moments then it'll be good-though I doubt whether I will be watching. many of the games-I shall be out of the country for 2 weeks soon in any event.
bit late for that, ireland already got put out by a hand of god moment :lol:
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You miserable bunch!
No, I don't give a cr@p about footie either, but the World Cup is fun, and the plight of England is always a fascinating journey.
I shall be watching, and shall be enjoying it!
Mark.
well said!
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I am not a fan of the beautiful game that much but a lot of the lads at work are getting very excited and I must admit that they are quite endearing in their enthusiasm- not just for England but they talk of other teams in respectful terms. For what it is worth, I have always supported whichever British team is in it. I remember years ago passionately supporting Scotland as one of my best friends is Scottish and his enthusiasm was infectious. If it raises morale then that is good in my view. As long as the best team wins and there are no "hand of God" moments then it'll be good-though I doubt whether I will be watching. many of the games-I shall be out of the country for 2 weeks soon in any event.
bit late for that, ireland already got put out by a hand of god moment :lol:
Yeah I heard about that Dave- it was a disgrace.
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yeah it wasn't great :lol:
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Fernando,
Brazil always look dodgy before a world cup, you trick us into thinking you're not very good then cruise to the final. Not always a bad thing though as there's always a few good shots of nice Brazillian ladies dancing samba style in the crowd :D
Believe me, mate, the only midfielder is Kaka... the others are all defensive midfielders and BAD ONES!!!! BUT, Dunga can put Michel Bastos on midfield, he is using his as linebacker and he is MF on Lyon.... He can also use Daniel Alves, linebacker on Barcelona as MF as he's MUCH better than the others guys... THEN we can play decently... If you take that *I* don't think Luis Fabiano, Nilmar, Grafite are good enough for the history of the yellow team, Roubinho* can play good enough, IF someone put limits on this freak
(*means "little robbery" - I made this think with his name - Robinho - I believe he got deals with drug dealers and etc... you can see in his eyes that he's not a decent person)
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A DRAW!?!?!?
C'mon - we're supposed to freaking suck at soccer, extremely disappointed at England's inability to kick our arse!!!
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A DRAW!?!?!?
C'mon - we're supposed to freaking suck at soccer, extremely disappointed at England's inability to kick our arse!!!
Beside is very nice to see a team that dedicated to the tatical disposal propose by the coach, I found it very weird to decide to NOT play and NOT let others play... But, it works sometimes...
Say thanks to Mr Green and I hope USA doesn't pass to the second part of the Cup... I really want to see people PLAYING...
Seems like Beckham was needed more than I thought... But I believe it was more merit of USA than England's fault... USA shall be commemorating for this draw...
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^ ^ england's no great shakes either. just because they keep saying how good they are doesn't make it true. certainly in the first half the US was all over england.
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(http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/413/zit.jpg)
Well claimed, Yanks :lol:
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That is pretty funny. :lol:
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hehe
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LOL
When do the NFL training camps start?
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Ha ha that is classic. I love the way they call England "The British". One of my (American) mates was in raptures extolling the "brilliance" of his team and how "The UK" cannot beat the mighty USA. I hated to deflate him a bit by telling him that I was one of the half dozen or so in England who was not watching the game on account of it being on a Saturday night when I am in a recording studio working!
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yeah northern ireland would have annihilated the USA. ;)
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Another tie, quick alert the NY Post, we "won" again...... :lol:
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Another tie, quick alert the NY Post, we "won" again...... :lol:
God! :?
Well, I didn't see the goal, but people here are saying the referee stole the 3rd goal from you guys...
And I was on Physical Therapy, didn't see England's match... But the jornalist are saying "England played like Argelia"... Not good :?
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The disallowed goal for USA was an absolute shocker. I have no idea what the ref was doing and I must admit to feeling pretty angry about it. At least the Americans showed passion.
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At least the USA/Slovenia game was entertaining, from what I've heard.
Unlike you-know-who's.
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Last nights game was total cr@p. Its the worst world cup I can think of regarding Englands performance.
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Well, there are 3 at most 4 teams trying to play football and too many teams that watched Lord of The Rings, the Battle of the Helm's Deep ¬¬
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way too much "playing it safe" football going on
No risks, flair or displays of ability.
Maybe all the money and WAGS has taken the edge of their game
Maybe a 70% pay cut would help refocus the English team (and if they weren't stupidly rich the WAGS wouldn't bother either)
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agreed!
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I heard a rumour that England are releasing a special edition strip, the lions are to be replaced with 3 tampons to represent the worst period in the team's history.
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I don't know what is the biggest shame: Luís Fabiano putting the hand at the ball twice to score the goal or every brazilian that said Thierry Henry was a cr@p for doing it is taking LF as god now...
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I don't know what is the biggest shame: Luís Fabiano putting the hand at the ball twice to score the goal or every brazilian that said Thierry Henry was a cr@p for doing it is taking LF as god now...
The biggest shame was Keita running into Kaka then falling on the floor clutching his face, to get the poor bloke sent off!
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well, Kaka use the elbow on his ribs, Luís Fabiano choke on someones back and falling saying he was kicked... Kaka had to be sent off on the 1st yellow card, he gave a lot of "push back" on 2 or 3 guys... he was lucky too, I would totally punch him on the face if he did that to me...
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well, Kaka use the elbow on his ribs, Luís Fabiano choke on someones back and falling saying he was kicked... Kaka had to be sent off on the 1st yellow card, he gave a lot of "push back" on 2 or 3 guys... he was lucky too, I would totally punch him on the face if he did that to me...
A rugby player speaks! :lol:
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:lol:
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I don't know what is the biggest shame: Luís Fabiano putting the hand at the ball twice to score the goal or every brazilian that said Thierry Henry was a cr@p for doing it is taking LF as god now...
The biggest shame was Keita running into Kaka then falling on the floor clutching his face, to get the poor bloke sent off!
The Andrex Cup. Soft and unnecessarily expensive.
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Our school is closing early so the kids can rush home and watch Englad get utterly pumped by some Algerians. I'll be popping down into town to annoy the tattooist instead. I'll back England when they play, but they have been utterly dreadful so far.
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Did someone say Algerians? That was last weekend! Slovenia tomorrow and I suspect we'll get a pile of tosh that results in a 1-1 draw (I've predicted both of our results so far).
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Did someone say Algerians? That was last weekend! Slovenia tomorrow and I suspect we'll get a pile of tosh that results in a 1-1 draw (I've predicted both of our results so far).
In which case England go out, I think?
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That's correct Philly. If it is a draw it needs to be a high scoring draw. Basically if we finish level on points with USA we need to have scored 2 more goals than however many they score tomorrow - and that only gets us into a 'lucky dip' process on the assumption that they finish with a draw and on the same number of points as us!
Don't win and England are as good as out.
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It's almost too painful to watch them when they're so spineless and lacking in confidence. I'm not building my hopes up. If they get through to the next round playing the way they have, Slovenia would have to be seriously shitee. They will go at England with everything they've got, as they will treat this game as their world cup final.
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As it happens, I'm gigging on the first AND second England games which, knowing England, may well leave me with only one other match to watch them in.
Might also leave you with a depleted audience? :wink:
the turnouts were ok as it happens - one of them was a biker bash near Carlisle out in the middle of nowhere.
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I think we'll see a different attitude from the England players today - we do occasionally (or maybe that should be typically) get lack lustre performances from England, but their next game sees them going out all guns blazing.
I predict 3-1 this afternoon... Crouch (hopefully he will get a game), Gerard, Rooney
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I think we'll see a different attitude from the England players today - we do occasionally (or maybe that should be typically) get lack lustre performances from England, but their next game sees them going out all guns blazing.
I predict 3-1 this afternoon... Crouch (hopefully he will get a game), Gerard, Rooney
Yes you're right, a lot of teams have slow starts, even the champs.
Lets hope your right about the 3-1!
Come on England! :D
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Capello must be idiot... He took out Rooney, the best player on 2nd half to put a midfielder, losing all the power of attack of the team, then he takes out DeFoe and puts Heskey !!!!! :? WTF?? This guy wouldn't make a goal even if Jesus Christ hold his leg and try to make him kick right...
But was a good play from England, finally :)
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Rooney could barely walk by the time he came off. He hadn't been 100% for 3 games, and that really tells in high level sport. Publicly they said he was fit but clearly that wasn't the case. There's no point having even a world class striker on if they're not mobile. Particularly when you don't need a goal...
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You guys were needing it, Eslovenia almost scored their goal and England would be OUT of WC ;)
He should have put Peter Crouch instead... and perhaps the 2nd substitution take out DaFoe and put Joe Cole... Would keep the lead on the game with chances of make a goal....
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I thought Rooney looked over weight as well as struggling to hit the goal. Leave Shrek on the bench for the next match. Good to see a Spurs striker saving the nations bacon! :D
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well up for playing germany on sunday!!!
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well up for playing germany on sunday!!!
Well, they could probably do with a big target man at the front, and he doesn't seem to want to pick Crouch - go for it, gwEm, put your name forward! :)
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well up for playing germany on sunday!!!
Yes it makes for a more exciting, competitive match than Ghana. Plus games against The Hun make for a great atmosphere in the pub.
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or at a BBQ with your friends.
I'm really looking forward to it and am certain we can beat them. The arrogance that we had going in to the tournament seems to have dissipated and as a result we look more cohesive and more of a team.
As far as team talks go Capello only needs to put up a picture of Beckenbauer with some of his recent quotes. That should be enough to get them in the right frame of mind.
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Beckenbauer did said the truth (at least the things I've read), but it's not "nice" everytime to hear the truth, specially when someone say you suck and you're sucking at the moment :lol:
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Beckenbauer did said the truth (at least the things I've read), but it's not "nice" everytime to hear the truth, specially when someone say you suck and you're sucking at the moment :lol:
well, some of what he said was bullsh!t though - but some of it was true too.
his comments really stir up the england/germany football rivalry. i don't see the head of the english FA talking sh!t about the german side. german manager joachim loew is much more low key.
beckenbauer can say what he likes - his words just make england more likely to win.
i love germany, but i hope england will win in style against them. the germany/england football clash is deep in our culture - it means so much. i remember the 1990 world cup well, we all know the story of 1966. actually, its something which defines us as a nation - or at least those of us who like football.
what is sure is it will be an explosive game - it should be great for someone impartial like you to watch. i will be watching it down the pub and shouting as loud as i can.
i think you have something similar with argentina?
edit: fernando, you probably know all that anyway - but my passion is high for this game!! (normally i like the german side abit, but this is something very different)
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Er... I keep coming in here expecting Tele content...
Do you think poor ole Roo is missing out on football banter because of the title? :lol:
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The only thing I remember Beckenbauer saying was that England wasn't playing good and playing that way there were a chance of going on this group phase... But I may be spoke BS because I'm sure here in Brazil they didn't showed all the things, etc... We know it's a great rivalry, but it's not something that goes a lot on tv, as I think Brazil vs Argentina rivalry isn't showed to you guys... Here is something VERY big...
Sorry if I've said BS, wasn't my intention...
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His most offensive comment accused us of playing "kick and rush football".
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His most offensive comment accused us of playing "kick and rush football".
Well, not sure what is the power of these words he chose, but it wasn't far from the truth, don't you agree??? England did not played very good on the first two matches and did abuse the kick forward in some times... As I said, I'm not very good in english language, so don't know if it was said with bad words, but he did not lie...
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I haven't heard him yet but i heard it's just the usual mind games BS. England are lucky to have got to the next round. They played badly in the first two games. They did a of better against Slovinia, especially in defence. John Terry had a great game.
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They did a of better against Slovinia, especially in defence. John Terry had a great game.
In deed, when he was on ground and then jumped with his head to try avoid the ball going to the goal was an "hey I AM IN a World Cup" moment...
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Or a 'salmon desperately jumping upstream' moment?
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They did a of better against Slovinia, especially in defence. John Terry had a great game.
In deed, when he was on ground and then jumped with his head to try avoid the ball going to the goal was an "hey I AM IN a World Cup" moment...
that was a great J.T. moment ;)
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His most offensive comment accused us of playing "kick and rush football".
Well, not sure what is the power of these words he chose, but it wasn't far from the truth, don't you agree??? England did not played very good on the first two matches and did abuse the kick forward in some times... As I said, I'm not very good in english language, so don't know if it was said with bad words, but he did not lie...
Sorry if I offended you also Fernando, I'm am simply very excited for the game.
Its true there was a bit of 'kick and rush' football in our first two games - but if Beckenbauer had seen our qualifying games he would have know that this isn't the new styles of our side.
Heres how it was reported in the UK:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/world_cup_2010/8740637.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/world_cup_2010/8757944.stm
Germany have also had their problems so far. It will be a great game I think - no side is a clear winner in advance, and we will both step up to it.
Maybe the comments are mind games, but I think they will have the reverse effect on us - they certainly do on me anyway :) its alot of motivation for the game, and to play well.
What a great World Cup its been so far - good luck to Brazil also Fernando! I saw some of your games, and you played with your usual skill and style ;)
(the English team has no great love of the Argentina side either, considering Maradonna's "Hand Of God" goal, and many other incidents)
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I thought the world cup has been cr@p to be honest. It's got nothing on Italia 90 :D
Any sounds that come from managers pre match are games I reckon. Designed to wind up or put you in a false sense of security. Ferguson is a master at this, especially when it's aimed at Wenger.
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Dude, you can put all kinds of tape on your axe, it's not gonna help you guys on Sunday.
In life you gotta be able to let go of everything, eventually even of life itself.
;o)
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I thought the world cup has been cr@p to be honest. It's got nothing on Italia 90 :D
I remember only some parts of Italia 90 - I was only 11 ;)
Actually I'm really into all World Cups. which is funny, since I'm not so into sport at other times, except the European championships a little.
You are right that some of the teams have seen a disciplined, defensive style of play works to pull off a decent tournament result for less good teams and alot have played this way. This is in worst case boring to watch, an in best case leads to a tense game.
My favourite World Cup so far was Germany 2006, I went out there for a bit to pick up some of the vibes. I had a Germany missus at the time and it was a very memorable experience for me drinking beer and looking at some of the big screen showings of games. I would totally go again if they'd have it Europe.
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Dude, you can put all kinds of tape on your axe, it's not gonna help you guys on Sunday.
In life you gotta be able to let go of everything, eventually even of life itself.
;o)
:lol:
Yeah, yeah, yaddy-yadda...
And Schumie's gonna win the Grand Prix too... :lol:
Really good to see you back! :D
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What Johnny Mac said, this ia a very ugly World Cup... I don't think Brazil is playing as it is supposed to play... Had enormous difficulty to win of North Korea :? and only took the leading of the game agains Ivory Coast after the stoled goal of Luís Fabiano... We were supposed to be ashamed, as we're talking bad thinks about Maradona and Henry for a long time... But here he's a new god...
I stopped cheering Brazil in 1998, because of the lack of will, in 2006 I tried to cheer again, even bought a jersey and what happened? They played like it was married vs single match after a BBQ... So, believe me, I'm NOT cheering for Brazil...
Just one more think gWen: qualifying is qualifying, World Cup is World Cup :)
I think will be a great game and I hope I can watch it!
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The final Holland and Brazil group games were well boring to watch I must say..
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The England V Germany semi final in 1990 was one of the most tense games of football I've ever seen. Both sides played fantastically. The other one that springs to mind was the same teams in Euro 96. Both ended in a failed penalty shoot out. The 90 minutes in each were relentless end to end and it was great. In 96 there was the golden goal in extra time and Gasgoine missed a sitter which would have put us in the final.
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The England V Germany semi final in 1990 was one of the most tense games of football I've ever seen. Both sides played fantastically. The other one that springs to mind was the same teams in Euro 96. Both ended in a failed penalty shoot out. The 90 minutes in each were relentless end to end and it was great. In 96 there was the golden goal in extra time and Gasgoine missed a sitter which would have put us in the final.
I wouldn't say failed exactly :lol:
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The England V Germany semi final in 1990 was one of the most tense games of football I've ever seen. Both sides played fantastically. The other one that springs to mind was the same teams in Euro 96. Both ended in a failed penalty shoot out. The 90 minutes in each were relentless end to end and it was great. In 96 there was the golden goal in extra time and Gasgoine missed a sitter which would have put us in the final.
I wouldn't say failed exactly :lol:
Ah, the view point from up the road!
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:lol:
Wish I'd put money on England losing like I thought about doing!
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I feel good! :D
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Yeah, yeah.
Congrats, Hunter - your guys pissed all over us, and you deserve the win.
We were pretty shocking though...
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:lol:
Wish I'd put money on England losing like I thought about doing!
Me too! I've been telling everyone they were going to get mullered!
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I thought supporting Wales was hard work. At least we know we're shitee!
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I thought supporting Wales was hard work. At least we know we're shitee!
True. But it's easy to deal with, knowing we never have more than 1/3 of a decent team at any one time.
England, on the other hand, are always great on paper but rubbish in practice.
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well that was a total gip. And i say that as someone who tried and failed to stifle a laugh as the first two german goals went in. (love-hate relationship with the english team, never sure if i support them or not, lol)
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I wish I could get away with being shiteee at a job (especially something fun like footy) and still get paid extortionate amounts :lol:
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tw@t shite bar-steward $%&#
wank
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How does wank get through the filter? :)
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They were kak in the extreme and were lucky they finished 2nd in be group stages. If you can't smash teams like the yanks, Algeria and a minnow of a country like Slovinia then there was absolutly no way England were going to beat Germany. I never built my hopes up after watching the first half of England V USA. I didn't watch the 2nd half as they were pathetic. Today they played far too deep, which left them wide open for the counter attack. The Germans always get goals from play like that. The pissed all over us and played very well. I expect the Jocks loved it today.
We won the Cricket today didn't we?
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I expect the Jocks loved it today.
Yup, makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. :D
Seriously though, considering the financial backing the England team has at their disposal you'd thing someone would force them to pull their finger out.
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Well, England had a terrible playing beside the time between the 1st goal and the one that should be the 2nd... after it, the players felt so bad the mistake of referee and back to play badly... on 2nd half you tried, but not very organized, was more like to kill or to die and happened what we saw...
I say again, the midfield of England was not very good this WC, believe this is the reason of bad playing and this elimination... Sorry for you guys, hopefully Chile will make history tomorrow :)
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I don't think the goal that was disallowed would have made any difference. Germany were going to win anyway. It was very painful to watch a ball clearly over the line get ruled out like that. The players should have picked themselves up quicker after that but I think they let it get to them. Payback for 1966! The two German strikers were on fire yesterday. Anyway at least it wasn't cardiac arrest inducing penaltys!
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I still cant believe people are moaning about a single goal that was dissallowed when they wouldve still needed another two to win anyway.
I'm happy all round germany winning got me a free 10gb usenext allowance if they get to the semis its an extra 20 then if they win an extra 50 so im laughing.
Thank god for german companys and there crazy offers :D
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what
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bollocks!
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I still cant believe people are moaning about a single goal that was dissallowed when they wouldve still needed another two to win anyway.
I'm happy all round germany winning got me a free 10gb usenext allowance if they get to the semis its an extra 20 then if they win an extra 50 so im laughing.
Thank god for german companys and there crazy offers :D
Really! I have a usenext account too, nice one!
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I still cant believe people are moaning about a single goal that was dissallowed when they wouldve still needed another two to win anyway.
Well, there's always the argument that it would've been a completely different match if the equaliser had stood. Which is true, but there's no way of knowing if it would've been different in a "good" or "bad" way!
A few people have been saying Germany "only" got their third and fourth goals because England were pushing so hard for an equaliser that they got "caught on the break". Which implies that being caught on the break is (a) absolutely impossible to defend against and possibly (b) a mild form of cheating. :roll:
I personally suspect that if England had gone in 2-2 they would have come out all complacent for the second half and they'd probably have been tonked even more badly.
Goodbye "Golden Generation". :lol:
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Well I gotta say, Jogi Löw (the trainer) has rejuvenated the DE team totally over the past 4 or so years, imagine the main scorer yesterday, Thomas Müller, is just 20 years old.
There is not much Ego happening there, and it's all about the team spirit. I didn't see much team spirit with England yesterday. That's why I think a new trainer, who has the balls to change things from scratch and maybe even let some of the superstars go, could do England well.
Who knows.
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I still cant believe people are moaning about a single goal that was dissallowed when they wouldve still needed another two to win anyway.
Well, there's always the argument that it would've been a completely different match if the equaliser had stood. Which is true, but there's no way of knowing if it would've been different in a "good" or "bad" way!
A few people have been saying Germany "only" got their third and fourth goals because England were pushing so hard for an equaliser that they got "caught on the break". Which implies that being caught on the break is (a) absolutely impossible to defend against and possibly (b) a mild form of cheating. :roll:
I personally suspect that if England had gone in 2-2 they would have come out all complacent for the second half and they'd probably have been tonked even more badly.
Goodbye "Golden Generation". :lol:
I think both teams were shockingly poor defensively, so if they'd gone in at half time on level terms it may have been a different story, and TBH the way the match was going at that point England could well have finished the half 3-2 in front. As it was in the second half desparation was creeping in. At the start of the move for Germany's 3rd goal Terry was in the German box and Johnson was at inside left, desparation to score had stretched their defensive ill discipline to extreme levels.
That said, we played very poorly and deserved to go out, and it really exposed the weaknesses of the team, and the most notable difference is that we had no out and out centre forward. Ironically Klose and Podolski are quite English strikers, but for some reason we haven't produced top level strikers in that mould for a while. Johnson's defensive frailties were hideously exposed time and again, and the guy just looked terrified in the second half, and Gerrard and Rooney kept trying to win it by themselves, rather than linking up with the others. What happened to Milner I just don't know, the german left back looked hugely vulnerable, but Milner just seemed to drift out of the match after half an hour.
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I still cant believe people are moaning about a single goal that was dissallowed when they wouldve still needed another two to win anyway.
Totally missing the point. If the goal had stood England would have not have to push for an equaliser and hence might not have been caught on the break. In fact both Germany goals in the second half were created by counter attacks as England were so far up the field trying to equalise when they shouldn't have had to.
That said Germany were by far the better team and deserved to go through, the QF place would have been wasted on England anyway and lets be honest the rest of the world would rather watch the youthful and inventive German team over the poor England.
But had the goal stood, it does not mean it would have just finished 4-2, it's not as simple of that.
Fifa should be embarresed though, goals in each of the days games that should not have stood, not even borderline - a meter over the line and a meter offside in the Mexico game.
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I must be one of the few males left in this country who is not a football fan - at the risk of getting hammered by all the football fans here I think there are similarities between these players and the heads of the banks - they earn obscene money - more in a week than 95% of the rest of country earn in a year - and still get it even if they perform like shitee. I really feel for the England supporters.
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I still cant believe people are moaning about a single goal that was dissallowed when they wouldve still needed another two to win anyway.
Totally missing the point. If the goal had stood England would have not have to push for an equaliser and hence might not have been caught on the break. In fact both Germany goals in the second half were created by counter attacks as England were so far up the field trying to equalise when they shouldn't have had to.
What I said above! :lol:
But why were England pushing so desperately for an equaliser? Why were all the defenders so far forward? It's the sort of thing you do in the last 5 minutes of a game, not 20 minutes earlier than that.
And, while I'm thinking about it, why is "getting caught on the break" something that only happens to England? Why can't they catch someone else "on the break"? (Answer: no pace, no passing ability, no-one with half a brain)
If it was 2-2 then (presumably) they'd have still been pushing for another goal, unless they were happy to just cruise along and wait for penalties? Not the greatest strategy, I'd suggest, given their track record.
I understand they were aggrieved about the disallowed goal, but they had 15 minutes at half time to calm down. Capello (or somebody) had ample time to say "look, we showed we can score 2 goals in 2 minutes, and we're still only 1 down". It should, if anything, have given them more focus but instead they charged around like an under-11s Sunday morning team. They're morons.
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they earn obscene money - more in a week than 95% of the rest of country earn in a year - and still get it even if they perform like shiteee.
I think they each get paid per game for playing for England, and I believe they all agreed that it currently goes to a football charity.
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they earn obscene money - more in a week than 95% of the rest of country earn in a year - and still get it even if they perform like shiteeee.
I think they each get paid per game for playing for England, and I believe they all agreed that it currently goes to a football charity.
They would be better off spending the money on some football lessons.
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they earn obscene money - more in a week than 95% of the rest of country earn in a year - and still get it even if they perform like shiteeeee.
I think they each get paid per game for playing for England, and I believe they all agreed that it currently goes to a football charity.
They would be better off spending the money on some football lessons.
Zing!
I expect the Jocks loved it today.
Yup, makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. :D
+1. Fair play to England though, they should've been allowed that goal. It's always find it puzzling that Football doesn't use the video Ref that gets used in Rugby games.
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Schadenfreude.
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Schadenfreude.
How very appropriate!
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Schadenfreude.
How very appropriate!
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you found that joyous? You're an Essex boy!
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Laughing aside, and as much as I'm glad to see England out of any sporting tournament. Whereas usually this would mean I can watch the rest of the world cup in peace without English commentators hammering on about England in the pre-match chat and thoughout every game, now we're going to have to listen to Lampard's Disallowed Goal chat instead. For a decade.
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I think they were all pissed off in general. They were all bored in the England camp. They had a WAG ban so no nookie. Plus they would have had it in neck from their women about the ban. So they go on holiday with their mates and the boys pay for it. Knowing all the time that they can't be trusted with the CC and their knickers! So you get a bunch of blokes with a huge insecurity mindset. They don't get much time off in the closed season as it is and even less playing for their country in the world cup. Years ago pride would see them playing their hearts out. With the big money they earn at club level, they must feel deep down what's the point in this, I'm not earning out of it so why should I put myself out? I just want to go cruising around the Carribean with a load of chicks.
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It's unfortunate for both teams really - Germany definitely outplayed England so would have wanted a victory without any controversy and 'what if's hanging over it.
But equally the balance of the game ould have really shifted in England's favour had the equaliser gone in. From the first German goal England looked so frustrated with themselves, but Germany were pretty shaky too so maybe at 2-2 England would have gritted their teeth and played a decent game. We'll never know now.
Terrible day for referees yesterday, but then that's what you get with Football. Bunch of filthy, cheating scumbags the lot of them.
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I had to laugh when they said the guy who showed the replay of the offside Argentina goal on the stadium screens would be in big trouble.
FIFA don't want the screens showing controversial moments in case it upsets the players and/or crowd, but they could use the same video technology to make sure those wrong decisions are corrected.
"There was a controversial action shown during the game on the giant screens last night at Soccer City. This should not happen."
"The giant screens are part of the infotainment but should not show controversial actions.
"It's handled by a team of colleagues from the organising committee and it has worked very well in most cases. Last night was a clear mistake.
"We will work on this and tighten up on this for the games to be played."
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Personally I think that if our goal was allowed, we probably would have lost 4-2.
Utter cr@p from a load of sulky nancy boys. I'm sure my village has an girls under 10, 5-a-side team. Maybe next world cup we should send them
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This says it all
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?desktop_uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Ds7KOGmU00tQ&v=s7KOGmU00tQ&gl=GB
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england were rubbish in the group stages, but i actually thought they were playing better in the germany game :? People (rightly) complain that they were boring, and then when they go to the other extreme people complain too?
Ugh i hate people. :lol:I still cant believe people are moaning about a single goal that was dissallowed when they wouldve still needed another two to win anyway.
Totally missing the point. If the goal had stood England would have not have to push for an equaliser and hence might not have been caught on the break. In fact both Germany goals in the second half were created by counter attacks as England were so far up the field trying to equalise when they shouldn't have had to.
That said Germany were by far the better team and deserved to go through, the QF place would have been wasted on England anyway and lets be honest the rest of the world would rather watch the youthful and inventive German team over the poor England.
But had the goal stood, it does not mean it would have just finished 4-2, it's not as simple of that.
Fifa should be embarresed though, goals in each of the days games that should not have stood, not even borderline - a meter over the line and a meter offside in the Mexico game.
+1
and even "deserved" is little to do with it- while I have no interest in seeing a worse team go through, worse/more boring/more negative/more cynical teams win games all the time over "better" opposition. That's why you have a tournament and don't just award it to argentina or brazil.
I'm just a bit annoyed that, while I've been complaining about england's mediocrity for years, finally everyone is jumping on the bandwagon to slag them off at a time when, for once, they actually had a fairly valid excuse for losing (a disallowed goal). :?
I must be one of the few males left in this country who is not a football fan - at the risk of getting hammered by all the football fans here I think there are similarities between these players and the heads of the banks - they earn obscene money - more in a week than 95% of the rest of country earn in a year - and still get it even if they perform like shiteee. I really feel for the England supporters.
if we're willing to change the entire system, then i have no problem with cutting players' wages. What I don't want to happen, and which most likely will, if we cut players' wages, is that ticket prices will remain exactly the same and all that'll happen is that the people who own the teams will make more money. At least the footballers are the ones making people want to go to the games.
What I said above! :lol:
But why were England pushing so desperately for an equaliser? Why were all the defenders so far forward? It's the sort of thing you do in the last 5 minutes of a game, not 20 minutes earlier than that.
And, while I'm thinking about it, why is "getting caught on the break" something that only happens to England? Why can't they catch someone else "on the break"? (Answer: no pace, no passing ability, no-one with half a brain)
If it was 2-2 then (presumably) they'd have still been pushing for another goal, unless they were happy to just cruise along and wait for penalties? Not the greatest strategy, I'd suggest, given their track record.
I understand they were aggrieved about the disallowed goal, but they had 15 minutes at half time to calm down. Capello (or somebody) had ample time to say "look, we showed we can score 2 goals in 2 minutes, and we're still only 1 down". It should, if anything, have given them more focus but instead they charged around like an under-11s Sunday morning team. They're morons.
oh, of course, england just isn't that good of a team, but in anything, with a little luck, your deficiencies might not be discovered. It was the disallowed goal which allowed one of england's deficiencies to be discovered. I mean the germany defence didn't look terribly solid either when put under pressure.
I also don't buy that only now are england not that great. They've been mediocre for years. They've never been in a position where I thought they had a realistic chance of winning for the entire time i've been alive (and i started watching football in the late 80s/early 90s).
I don't understand why they thought that prison conditions would make england play better, I'm with johnny there.
And I agree with philly's point about using technology. If they're so worried about avoiding controversy, why won't they implement the extremely simple fix which will avoid most controversy?
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I'm not in any way a football fan. I am English, but I can't find it in myself to support our over-paid under-performing team in football (or, as the Mash called it after the Slovenia game, shinball).
I did still watch the match, though mostly so I knew what people were talking about when we came back to work on Monday!
I'm glad that there will be no more of this inane football prattle and drunken louts being cretins all over the place (why is it almost all other nations have vastly more human fans than our own allegedly great nation has?).
A few things stuck me as bizarre - why were so many players out of their Premiership-winning positions? Why would you bring Heskey on (at all?) when you need goals? Why was the defending so utterly diabolical? Why were the diabolical defenders not substituted? There seemed like no game-plan (aside from using the short-corner...).
That goal being not given was obviously a blow to the English team, but as everyone has already said, England deserved to lose because they played really, really badly.
At the risk of being shot down, Tennis, Cricket, Rugby and, of course, ladies' Beach Volleyball are all far superior sports to watch (and certainly, in my experience, to play; though I've never been able to qualify for the ladies' Beach Volleyball...).
It seems to me that until the English football team gets together and used to playing with each other, until it is composed not of individuals but of team-players, and until it is managed by a long-term, committed management team who work, with the players, towards a common goal (pun fully intended), they will always only hope to make it to the last 16, rather than expecting to make it to the final and win.
But that will never happen in my lifetime. It's all driven by money, like everything else in football. Shame.
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At the risk of being shot down, Tennis, Cricket, Rugby and, of course, ladies' Beach Volleyball are all far superior sports to watch (and certainly, in my experience, to play; though I've never been able to qualify for the ladies' Beach Volleyball...).
I'm a big football fan but I completely agree...... other than the Tennis and Cricket :D
Can't really get in to tennis. I think they need to do something about the serves as the mens game is just turning into a string of aces or missed returns and not a lot else. Kind of gets on my tits afte a while.
I used to watch a fair bit of cricket with my housemate at uni, but that was just an excuse to spend four days on the piss. I like watching the highlights and the 20-20 is alright but I find it really hard to maintain concentration when they only bowl one ball a minute in a test game. Should really go and watch it live as I like sitting in fields getting drunk. Did some work on the new stand at Trent Bridge so wouldn't mind going up there for a game and having a propper look at it now it's finished...... not sure it's the thing for the baby though, he attracts cricket balls (was about a foot away from getting his head taken clean off as we walked past a cricket field).
Rugger is a completely different kettle of fish and is definately my favorite to watch and play (although my playing days are well over). My bro is a big football fan and recently wnet to watch his first rugger game at the Millenium Stadium. He couldn't believe the atmosphere with all the fans mixed up and a couple of happy coppers (he's use do football games with a hell of a lot of very angry ones with big dogs). I'd definately preffer the little one to grow up playing rugger rather than nancyboy football.
I thnk we should have a televised professional British Bulldogs league. That would be the only thing (other than anything with women in skimpy clothes) that could beat rugger as a spectator sport.
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I freaking SAID IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BYE BYE BRAZIL!!!! Felipe Melo see you in hell!
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Very bad game for Melo today!
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C'mon Europe! :P
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Very bad game for Melo today!
Well, at least he FINALLY got a Red Card!!! Against Portugal he should have take THREE red cards!!!
What is thw worse is having to listen the guys on TV saying that he sent a "Gerson's pass to Robinho" on the goal... They must be freaking kidding me...
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C'mon Europe! :P
Go on my twitter and you'll see how much i've been cheering to Brazil... NOT ;)
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C'mon Europe! :P
Go on my twitter and you'll see how much i've been cheering to Brazil... NOT ;)
I don't use Twitter, but I believe you! :lol: