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« on: January 06, 2008, 03:11:02 AM »
This is a clip of my Legra (MDV602), all parts played with the bridge C-Pig on full whack through my pod XT (edit, and its all 4 tracked, 2 left, 2 right, except one octave part thats doubled and where there are harmonies its 6 guitars)

Its my first attempt at recording a full song seriously. Its taken me ages to get round to doing this (a few false starts along the way) and by christ do I wish my lazy ass did it sooner!

I'd love to know what you lot think

(I already know the intro is sloppy, so go easy on that please!)

Its a bit of a crazy song structure: makes more sense after a couple of listens.

Enjoy! (I hope!)

P.S. Its called Memento Mori, which means "Remember you are mortal". The band is called mortal coil (dont bother looking for us, we dont have a myspace or anything)

http://www.4shared.com/file/34004099/c46353f/Memento_Mori.html

I'm not 100% sure the link will work cos I just signed up for that site, so if nothing else hopefully someone can dl it successfully!

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« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2008, 05:32:08 AM »
Pretty crushing tone.  That said, my biggest complaint is the bit of mud and it seems like there is a bit of body missing to the whole song.  Am i right in thinking that the drums are processed?  They certainly sound it, so i would use more verb on the snare track.  I would EQ the fvck out of the kick drum (its barely there): i would raise the mids and treble on the attack, and give it a pretty good make-over on the low-end - even the cymbals could use a touch of verb because they decay far too quickly in the mix.

As for the guitars, there is a definite tone there, however, there is very little body to the overall mix - it feels, for lack of a better term, limp.  There is not a rich fullness of sound.  There are several things that could be done pre- and post-mix here: 1) Bring up the 1k - 4k range a dB or two on the guitar tracks.  Though, like you said these were all doubled, or, in some cases sextupled, so another thing to do is to push some tracks and not others.  2) Also, it feels like you didn't pan much of anything, this could help massively.  And since you have so many damn guitar tracks just spread them all over the board, the drums could use it too; everything seems to be pushed to the front with the drums.  (of course, i am listening on my macbook speakers :roll:).  3) lastly, you could EQ the final mix track and bring up the 250 - 750 range maybe 1k and a touch of the 8k.

These are all just suggestions of course.  Interesting track, some parts were pretty good, others sort of generic, but you gots da good dissonance goin on dere brotha'!  :)
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« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2008, 02:40:40 PM »
Thanks for the advice, Opp.

I dont think I'll be spending much time (if any) wrestling with this to get it to sound good, though. Its not the 'real' recording. Its just my POD.

I have, however, I will be using your comments and will keep it all in mind (especially on the drums) when I record the real one, with amps and mics  :twisted:

Oh, all of it but the drums was panned hard left and hard right, two tracks per channel most of the time.

Anyone else?

Any musical comentary anyone would like to give?

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« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2008, 04:47:00 PM »
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« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2008, 05:17:42 PM »
I like it - I could imagine it to be a blistering tune live.

I had a play with it in Cool Edit Pro and a simple boost across the board upto 2k gives some defination in the guitar and also body to the overall sound.  Still can't hear any kick drum though.

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« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2008, 11:45:05 PM »
Conspicuously neutral statement, dave  :lol:

Thanks HTH!

I must admit I didnt pay much attention  to the sound of the drums. I will in the main track.

My mission for this week, should I choose to accept it, is to record all the guitars again with real amps and mics as best I can and get the drums to sound good. I'll bear in mind the advice here for the tone, thanks folks. I doubt an MD421, SM57 and audix i5 infront of a screamer and TSL will have the same problems as the pods tone. I expect it will have a whole bunch of new ones  :shock:

I will repost it when its done.

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« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2008, 05:49:18 PM »
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Conspicuously neutral statement, dave  :lol:


nah, i liked it. i posted that at the start when i was hearing the tone more than anything else. after hearing the whole piece, i liked the tune as well. :)

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« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2008, 06:52:59 PM »
Cool!

P.S. I doubt you think I was but I wasnt getting at you if you didnt like it either!

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« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2008, 08:01:15 PM »
One thing though MDV, you have alot of BKPs - how about using the ceramic WP on one side and the 22K MM on the other?

I just think it'll widen your tone a bit and give us the opportunity to hear different BKPs in METAL action.

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« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2008, 08:55:51 PM »
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One thing though MDV, you have alot of BKPs - how about using the ceramic WP on one side and the 22K MM on the other?

I just think it'll widen your tone a bit and give us the opportunity to hear different BKPs in METAL action.

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« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2008, 10:41:01 PM »
Well heres an effort with real amps and mics and stuff, and re-mixed drums, that I thought sounded good in cubase, and I just listened to it in winamp and it lost SO much high end. I'm not amused!

But nonetheless, for your perusal gentlemen, a fragment of the intro with my first attempt at the 'real' tone (after 3 hours of mucking about with basically every piece of sound gear I have!).

http://www.4shared.com/file/34173749/580c6afb/Memento_Mori-Intro_clip_Tone_Test.html

Not a real attempt, though, cos like I say, I dont like it. It lost so much snap and crunch, but I'd appreciate your comments anyway!

I'll try a multi-guitar sound tomorrow (along with compensating for the high end loss that this mixdown suffered!). Its a good idea.

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« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2008, 05:55:49 AM »
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Well heres an effort with real amps and mics and stuff, and re-mixed drums, that I thought sounded good in cubase, and I just listened to it in winamp and it lost SO much high end. I'm not amused!


On my laptop speakers here I can hardly hear any guitar, the drums are too high in the mix I suppose...
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« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2008, 09:51:35 AM »
Damn!

Thanks Hunter. I'll hike the guitars up later (work now)

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« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2008, 05:29:26 PM »
OK, I have a question: The tone coming out of my amp, to my ears, is almost offesively bright and tight. But the recorded sound is muddy.

I can imrpove it in cubase with about 4 db less around 250hz and 2 db more around 2k (thanks HTH!), but its still nothing like what I'm hearing.

The amp is on a carpet floor. Is this the problem? Or do I just have to EQ it to all hell?

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« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2008, 05:49:34 PM »
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Cool!

P.S. I doubt you think I was but I wasnt getting at you if you didnt like it either!


no worries mark :)

EDIT: oh, i'm listening to your "real amp" clip. Nice, sounds more like a real amp. but as you say, quite bright. but i like it.