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« Reply #30 on: August 21, 2005, 04:01:03 PM »
Well...this has been a busy weekend....

I can't say I'm 100% agreed or disagreed with any of these posts. Soundclips can only ever give an indication - everytime I've bought on the basis of a soundclip or spec chart I've been dissapointed. With the advice and experience between BKP bys and the forum most people should get what they want, and there's allways the BKP backup aswell.

As for SD clips, I can hear a difference, but I don't really think any of them sound great, I guess the guitar wasn't great. Plus I agree that some pickups you'll play certain styles with and not others. I would go with a plain and simple clean chord, humbuckers in the same Les Paul, singles in the same strat/tele. There may be some use there too.

I like the DIY approach lots, plus with bass and drums you get to hear how a pickup sounds in a mix, there's no point buying a pickup with mo midrange 'cause it sounds killer in isolation on a clip,great in the bedroom,  then to turn up at a gig and wonder why you can't hear yourself!

I'm ignoring the bit about professional soundclips......
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« Reply #31 on: August 21, 2005, 04:10:53 PM »
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I like the DIY approach lots, plus with bass and drums you get to hear how a pickup sounds in a mix, there's no point buying a pickup with mo midrange 'cause it sounds killer in isolation on a clip,great in the bedroom,  then to turn up at a gig and wonder why you can't hear yourself!

That's a good point.  When I first started home-recording, I would start by figuring out some monstrous guitar sound (with way too little midrange and way too much bass) and then wonder why it all went to mush in the mix :).  I've been working on getting things a bit more balanced since then .... :)

But, of course, Tim's and HJM's clips have backing instruments, so problem solved. Overall, the "official" BKP clips have pretty similar guitars and amp settings to each other, and I think they do a good job of a) showing off individual pickups, and b) letting you compare the sound of one pickup to another when played in broadly similar environments.
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« Reply #32 on: August 21, 2005, 07:02:39 PM »
Wouldnt it be nice if Steve Stevens would do a demo, as he is now using the pickups.

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« Reply #33 on: August 22, 2005, 12:09:42 AM »
hmmmmmmmm...at first i thought i'd like to hear some clips, but then i took the outrageously large jump of joining the forum (i am being sarcastic here...). and then i heard some real nice soundclips of VHII's in action (thanks JT  :) )and that swung me over. Loads of clips! It didnt matter to me who was playing or what they were playing, i just wanted to hear the tone. And i think my playing is nothing like JT's, but it was his demos that really swung me over, and the dedication i could see that Tim was working with, and the support so many people here give him and BKP.

I'm rambling, but basically, would you buy the new Nike trainers cos Thierry Henry wears them or because everyone you know supports them, because the company treats you with great respect and will custom make the product to your order, and gets nothing but glowing endorsements?

Also, one last thing. It may sounds a bit pretentious, but i feel what i get from my BK's is more than just a sound...its an inspiration. You can't get this from a soundclip; its something that happens when you feel the craft and the weight of your shiny new pickup and install it in your guitar and fire it up for the first time...and you think of the care and work that's gone into it. That, as much as sheer tone, is why I love my pickups so much.
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« Reply #34 on: August 22, 2005, 04:12:08 AM »
In my opinion, the whole sound clip discussion is ridiculous. Nobody serious can buy a pickup if they just listen to a soundclip. A sound sample can give a general idea of what a pickup sounds like, but thatīs all. Whoever records the sound sample, pro or not, it still cannot replace the real experience of listening yourself playing the pickup. I know well, we donīt have a million dollars to buy every piece of gear in the world to try, but hell, At least sometimes itīs clear what you can expect from a product. I know i cannot expect the same from a company that winds billions of pickups, to one that has real people busting their asses, winding them by hand with the best components. I really want to trust a company that can give you a personal idea of what pickup could help to get your tone, rather than using a "tone wizard" program. Not only that, i will be very happy to buy a pickup from someone that offers me to try a different set, if the one i received didnīt meet my expectations. Unfortunately i couldnīt do that with my two SD sets.
So after all, I believe thereīs much more involved in wanting to try a pickup than listening to a sound clip. Actually, my previous pickups didnīt sound at all like the SD clips. I think the players section is great cause it shows lots of different people, with different styles, using the pickups. So yeah, you can hire a pro and make him record great soundclips, but the people listening to them, are they gonna get that tone? i donīt think so.
Lets get real, in the search for tone, sometimes you have to take chances.  When you want great quality from a product you canīt rely on a sound clip downloaded from the internet, which in most cases you will listen with cheap pc speakers. I am so happy i took mine because, i got what i expected and more!!!!

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« Reply #35 on: August 27, 2005, 07:28:12 PM »
Getting customers to demo their own pickups was a stroke of genius, it backs up the company's (well deserved) image of caring about ordinary players and getting them involved.

I considered SDs before I found BKPs and downloaded a load of clips from their site. When I listened and heard how much compression they'd added it made me wonder how much EQ and god knows what else was in there. I ended up not trusting them right from the start (which was perhaps a little unfair) but they also sounded very sterile.

I think there are a number of clips on the forum that could stand up against any of the bigger companies. I record backing for my clips because it gives me an excuse to learn my recording software but if anyone would like clips of my Apaches with no backing track just ask.

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« Reply #36 on: August 27, 2005, 07:30:26 PM »
hey Gary, is there any chance you could record a really ripping bit of lead guitar on the apaches? only I'm interested to hear how they compare to the Irish Tours.
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« Reply #37 on: August 27, 2005, 08:02:27 PM »
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hey Gary, is there any chance you could record a really ripping bit of lead guitar on the apaches? only I'm interested to hear how they compare to the Irish Tours.


I've just (within the last few minutes) posted a neck/ middle clip. I've also got a couple of others on the players' forum and I'm planning a few more (I was supposed to use the last month to learn some new songs while our keyboard player was on holiday but this was more fun).

If you've got anything specific in mind let me know but bear in mind I'm not a super fast player. I have to rely on being melodic and tasteful and hope that it convinces people I know what I'm doing!

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« Reply #38 on: August 27, 2005, 08:06:24 PM »
I like that clip!  :)  its a really nice tone you get with them. I'm just working out whether to save for Apaches or Irish's; I know the IT's can handle the overdrive, and im just wondering how much power you can get from the Apaches. Thanks for the clip, nice playing!
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« Reply #39 on: September 01, 2005, 01:26:03 AM »
Why cant people just read a review? Its what i did, i havent found the sound clips yet!

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« Reply #40 on: September 01, 2005, 01:42:48 PM »
BKP's soundclips not professional? the quality in those 3 soundclips is above the majority of the official release CD's that we get sent for review at shredaholic.com from professional guitarists - and they care a great deal about the quality of their recordings.


The clips are much easier to tell apart from the seymour duncan ones, and the way in which they were done makes it a lot easier to tell the different tonal characteristics of the pickups. The miracle man clip alone convinced my friend that he NEEDED to put a BKP in his jackson, and he hasn't even heard my VHII's yet.

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« Reply #41 on: September 13, 2005, 09:42:59 PM »
Just throwing my tuppence worth in,

Firstly I want to say that the number of quality tracks (& shorter demos) being posted speaks volumes to what the purchasers think of both the pickups and the service that they receive.

Anyway,
Somebody (I'm to lazy to go back and look) mentioned near the start that peoples playing styles make a difference, along with the amp, boosters, speakers and guitar.

If somebody gave me the same equipment as Hendrix used and the ability to hit the right notes. I would still sound completly different.

With that number of variables it would probably be pointless to use the clean / dirty examples as used by SD.

The names of the pickups show the 'original intent' of the pickup as trpified by BKP (and even SD with the Pearly Gates for example).

The user (and bkp produced) tracks show what can be done with a particular equipment setup and playing style, and speaks to me (pardon the pompous term) much more than 5 seconds of a bland soundbite.

As the players have already put in a lot of time to produce these tracks, it may be a bit cheeky to suggest this but here goes;

Perhaps it would be possible when the tracks to be posted for the guitar tracks to be posted as separate attachments (for those with the technology to do so).

Perhaps (here I'm getting cheeky) without any heavy duty eq, so it's easier to get an rough idea of that the guitar sounded like.

Hope this offends nobody,

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« Reply #42 on: September 13, 2005, 09:53:31 PM »
to post a clean and dirty clip for each pickup, with the same amp settings and EQ, takes the pickup out of context. for example, if someone posted a stormy monday clip through a cranked triple rec with scooped mids, it would just take the pickup out of context.
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« Reply #43 on: September 13, 2005, 10:01:10 PM »
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As the players have already put in a lot of time to produce these tracks, it may be a bit cheeky to suggest this but here goes;

Perhaps it would be possible when the tracks to be posted for the guitar tracks to be posted as separate attachments (for those with the technology to do so).

Perhaps (here I'm getting cheeky) without any heavy duty eq, so it's easier to get an rough idea of that the guitar sounded like.

Hope this offends nobody,

Kilby...


I intentionaly use minimal eq - just enough to compensate for my rubbish mixer. If I use any other effects I'll say so in the post.

Because of the way I put the recordings together this would be no trouble at all - probably less than 10 minutes work. If you want one of mine just let me know. I probably won't be doing any new ones for a while because my band is back gigging after our summer break and I'm supposed to be learning new songs.

BTW I can't think of anything you've said that would offend anyone.

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« Reply #44 on: September 13, 2005, 10:32:23 PM »
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BTW I can't think of anything you've said that would offend anyone.


Thats a change for me ;)

Theres nothing in particular that I require (apart from a nice lookin redhead with lax morals & lots of money).

Personally I think the full track method is the best, but I just thought that the separated guitar tracks would benefit those who think they need more info (or alternativly those who worship @ the altar of SD).

The variation of styles in the tracks posted certainly give me ideas on how the pickups behave in different styles (though perhaps a bit too much metal & shred for me).

After all the SD examples don't tell us for example how pinch harmonucs behave on a particular model.

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