Pickup Name Origins?

[FELINEGUITARS]

I also hate street music, hip-hop etc with a passion

[Will]

Why not take a trip to R Soles shoe shop then!

It's one of my favourite shops - down the Kings Road
Have you been there Will?

It has the best selection of cowboy boots in London IMO
 A bit expensive but bloody great

Sadly it was a school trip to some ermm national war museum historic kefuffle. Walked off to get some lunch and spotted it, thought I would take a pic quickly. If I happen to be in the area, may look again. Is it seriously Mr R Soles, or some silly one liner?

[FELINEGUITARS]

http://www.rsoles.com is their website

Seriously expensive for rich tourists , but great quality

[Johnny Mac]

I hate urban cr@p too. Anything like that is cr@p. That's why we all play the guitar though isn't it? MC's and DJ's are w**kers. Fact. Did you hear on the news about that DJ called Groove Rider? He got nicked by customs in Dubai with an illegal substance. I also heard on the news today that in Dubai someone got caught by their drugs detecting sniffer machine with some cannabis stuck on the sole of their shoe the size of a grain of sugar and got a 4 year sentence!!! Don't fancy the DJ's chances much.

[FELINEGUITARS]

I hate urban cr@p too. Anything like that is cr@p. That's why we all play the guitar though isn't it? MC's and DJ's are w**kers. Fact. Did you hear on the news about that DJ called Groove Rider? He got nicked by customs in Dubai with an illegal substance. I also heard on the news today that in Dubai someone got caught by their drugs detecting sniffer machine with some cannabis stuck on the sole of their shoe the size of a grain of sugar and got a 4 year sentence!!! Don't fancy the DJ's chances much.

http://travel.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/travel/news/article3333905.ece

Here's a link to that story.....

I think that the rapid rise in knife crime & gun crime can be predominatly linked to a lifestyle that is represented over and over in hip-hop music
You never hear of an EMO kid or a metal fan doing this stuff
It's always some hip-hop hoodie/chav or rival factions of immigrant/asylum seeking population.

[headtheball]

Not just to disagree for the sake of it, Johnathan, but 90% of the time someone stateside carcks up and decides to non-consensually murder his classmates, they go directly for the metal in his music collection, and hold that up as a reason. They're clearly wrong, but I don't see why it would be any more valid to lay other crimes at the feet of other music, or what it promotes.

I'm not saying you're wrong, by the way, just that it's a matter of interpretation.

[FELINEGUITARS]

Not just to disagree for the sake of it, Johnathan, but 90% of the time someone stateside carcks up and decides to non-consensually murder his classmates, they go directly for the metal in his music collection, and hold that up as a reason. They're clearly wrong, but I don't see why it would be any more valid to lay other crimes at the feet of other music, or what it promotes.

I'm not saying you're wrong, by the way, just that it's a matter of interpretation.

I know what you say about the USA situation, and thankfully we don't get stuff like Columbine happening here too often.

I just feel that Hip hop and rap continually shows off a lifestyle that is then copied, by kids who are straight out of Croydon rather that straight outa Compton
Not that this is not true with other music genres, but walking around thinking you are David Coverdale (or whoever) generally causes less bloodshed that if you acted like Tupac.

[sambo]

Yeah, I would probably agree with Feline that the two can be LINKED- but I would be sceptical of the actual causality of such violent crime being the music itself.

[kellar]

That's quite accurate what you said Feline, although you can say things like that being across the pond.
In the U.S. connecting the dots between rap music and violence is normally greeted by a wave of racial finger pointing.
Unfortunately, that's just the way it is.

[headtheball]

I was only saying that a similar conjecture could be, and has been, made to say the dark themes in Metal, which abound, have something to do with such events. I think laying either sort of crime at the feet of either genre is to ignore a broader spectrum of social conditions which have as much, if not more to do with it. I don't see any particularly strong evidence in either case for music enjoyed having a causal relationship, nor is it entorely clear whether love of the music promotes the violence in one's nature, or vice versa.

As I say, I'm not just spoiling for a row or anything. I think I might be best to agree to disagree here, and leave it at that. I won't infect this board with my political leanings.

[Johnny Mac]

Interesting points. I'll tell you what I've heard recently. I work with a lad in his mid 20's. He comes from a large family from Tottenham and has several older bothers who are constantly in and out of prison. In there one of his brothers learnt from other inmates about some of the pirate radio stations. Some of them have DJ's for want of a better term that speak in such fast slang as to be not understood by anyone not familiar with it. In these broadcasts are messages to gangs about the whereabouts of rivals ect. In short they are encouraging gang violence. Nasty horrible shite if you ask me.

[Johnny Mac]

Just how off topic can a thread get!!

[sambo]

Interesting points. I'll tell you what I've heard recently. I work with a lad in his mid 20's. He comes from a large family from Tottenham and has several older bothers who are constantly in and out of prison. In there one of his brothers learnt from other inmates about some of the pirate radio stations. Some of them have DJ's for want of a better term that speak in such fast slang as to be not understood by anyone not familiar with it. In these broadcasts are messages to gangs about the whereabouts of rivals ect. In short they are encouraging gang violence. Nasty horrible shitee if you ask me.

Hmm, well to me that sounds like organised crime basically, not music.

Personally, all I meant was I highly doubt that listening to rap music causes violence. :)

[Philly Q]

Not that this is not true with other music genres, but walking around thinking you are David Coverdale (or whoever) generally causes less bloodshed that if you acted like Tupac.

Wouldn't it be hilarious if kids really did walk around thinking thay were Old Cov?  Especially if they talked in that cod Shakespearian way of his, instead of going "init" and calling each other "blood".  :lol:

[Philly Q]

Yeah, I would probably agree with Feline that the two can be LINKED- but I would be sceptical of the actual causality of such violent crime being the music itself.

On a fairly similar subject, I've spent years arguing that watching gory horror movies (or action movies for that matter) doesn't make anyone violent unless they're already a little unbalanced.  It hasn't done me any harm...  :roll:

So I'm reluctant to believe that rap music makes kids get into violent crime, just as I'm reluctant to believe that listening to black metal makes people burn down churches (those Norwegian churches are the most amazing looking buildings, why the f*ck would anyone want to burn them?.... but I digress).

I'm not going to say listening to hip-hop will turn you bad, but hip-hop music and that gang lifestyle really do seem to go hand in hand, unfortunately.  I'm always amazed how many successful rap artists can't leave that lifestyle behind, and still get involved in shootings and drug crime.  You don't - it seems - get that in any other genre of music.  They're not role models in any way (and that's ignoring other factors like attitudes to women and gay people).

It must be a horrible life for these gang kids - constantly trying to show how tough you are, never showing "weakness", trying to "out-macho" everyone else.  I bet deep down they're scared all the time, no wonder they only feel safe in gangs.

And this really is off-topic.  :roll: