I am officially FED UP with downtuning

[Johnny Mac]

All rap is cr@p and jay z is a C#NT!!  :P

Also Dime would piss over O9 even though i haven't heard him play.

Fact.

[CJ]

i completely agree with davey. ... try not to take what i'm about to say the wrong way... but if you can't write a song in standard tuning, then how good are you really? now i'm not talking about a particular song here. i'm not saying you should be able to write a song in standard and then drop it lower. i mean you should at least be able to write something in standard. you shouldn't say you can't write in standard because it sounds like 80's metal or whatnot. you shouldn't completely throw standard tuning out of your playbook. if you can't write anything in standard, then i can only assume you're using drop tuning to just write basic riffs that sound heavy, but really aren't any good.

[Johnny Mac]

Come on thread over.  :D

[Lew]

I may be missing the point but unless the intervals are different and I don't think they are? Then the actual playing and writing of songs on the guitar is exactly the same, just with different notes. It's a death metal capo!

If we're talking about different intevals like DADGAD or open tunings then fair enough I missed the point and we should be talking about Nick Drake.

[Johnny Mac]

I may be missing the point but unless the intervals are different and I don't think they are? Then the actual playing and writing of songs on the guitar is exactly the same, just with different notes. It's a death metal capo!

If we're talking about different intevals like DADGAD or open tunings then fair enough I missed the point and we should be talking about Nick Drake.

I think there was a point made by MDV about intervals way back in the thread. I was trying to make the point using that wobbly classical analogy, as it therefore becomes a totally different instrument.

[Lew]

oops only skimmed the thread *blush*

[38thBeatle]

It is OK, Ban Ki-moon is on his way.

[MDV]

Come on thread over.  :D

Yup, were done here. Nothing to see. Move along now.

So in summary, downtuning is awesome, B is the new E, teles and caparisons suck and classical musics done it all before :D

DE-TUNE-ING!
DE-TUNE-ING!

;)

[_tom_]

Heres something weird I noticed earlier. I've been jamming with this metal band who tune down to drop c (just 1 step down and drop d I think) so I've had my guitar in that. For some reason I just feel "wrong" with it detuned, like I'm not getting the best out of the guitar or something:lol: Not just because it feels too slinky (10s on les paul are a bit too bendy even in E) but theres something I just cant explain :? Anyone else get this?

[nfe]

I love Meshugga. Nile are a new one on me. It's as brutal as it can get surely! Can it get any more brutal?

I don't know if you can get more brutal, but you can certainly get heavier and certainly get more abrassive.

[_tom_]

I'd say Electric Wizard are approx infinite x heavier than anything I've heard from Nile. Groove > technical ability and speed for sheer heaviniess, imo.

[nfe]

I'd say Electric Wizard are approx infinite x heavier than anything I've heard from Nile. Groove > technical ability and speed for sheer heaviniess, imo.

Electric Wizard were gonna be my example if one was asked for.

[MDV]

Heres something weird I noticed earlier. I've been jamming with this metal band who tune down to drop c (just 1 step down and drop d I think) so I've had my guitar in that. For some reason I just feel "wrong" with it detuned, like I'm not getting the best out of the guitar or something:lol: Not just because it feels too slinky (10s on les paul are a bit too bendy even in E) but theres something I just cant explain :? Anyone else get this?

It happens. The response of the guitar changes. But you can change the strings and the setup until happy. Most guitars can take detuning, even shorter scale ones, if you put the patience in to experiment with it. Lower the action and increase the neck relief, or vice versa, change the pickup height with the new strings, and different combinations of setup-setttings. With the right strings and setup theres no reason it cant be done. (*probably*)

[_tom_]

I dont mean the feel of the guitar really, I just feel like I'm not getting as much out of it somehow or something :lol: Maybe because all the stuff I usually play is in standard tuning or Eb? Got some 11s on the way so hopefully it wont feel so saggy when I get them on :P

[Roobubba]

fwiw, I used 13Gauge strings when I took at 25.5 scale length instrument down to B standard (with drop A bottom note). This was nearly right. About the same neck tension as 10s in standard tuning (I pre-calculated it, and it wasn't far off when I came to adjust the floyd rose).

Given a proper scale length (muahahaha), there's no reason that you can't use drop A tuning without perfectly responsive strings and a brutal, sharp attack. Hey, it also works well for blues!!!

Roo