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Re: Twinfan's top 10 guitar tone 'wisdoms'
« Reply #45 on: January 07, 2009, 12:50:15 AM »
*reads number 7* do'h! just ordered an expensive-ish cable, didn't know these existed. Still it is a Panet Waves so not a false investment imo.
Also, cheap, obvious point, but: really get used to (love?) your guitar and find out what it can do. only after 2 years did I really feel I could wield my axe well enough to feel comfortable playing and feeling everything I wanted and getting the result. I hope my new guitar doesn't take quite that long....
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Re: Twinfan's top 10 guitar tone 'wisdoms'
« Reply #46 on: January 07, 2009, 12:53:41 AM »
Still it is a Panet Waves so not a false investment imo.

NOOOOOOOOOOO

I blew a load on a batch of planet waves just before I got cleartones. I now have them around only to lend to people in need of a cable. The cleartones CRUSH the planetwaves. Their superiority is akin to that of the Jedi over the Ewoks.

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Re: Twinfan's top 10 guitar tone 'wisdoms'
« Reply #47 on: January 07, 2009, 12:58:26 AM »
Still it is a Panet Waves so not a false investment imo.

NOOOOOOOOOOO

I blew a load on a batch of planet waves just before I got cleartones. I now have them around only to lend to people in need of a cable. The cleartones CRUSH the planetwaves. Their superiority is akin to that of the Jedi over the Ewoks.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, damn you Twinfan for not posting this yesterday!  :lol:
Cheers MDV, will buy a new set of cables....(I'm one of those people who believe cables make a MASSIVE difference to tone quality/clarity)
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Re: Twinfan's top 10 guitar tone 'wisdoms'
« Reply #48 on: January 07, 2009, 01:04:27 AM »
Just ordered a Cleartone 20ft, 10ft and patch cable, all with the silent option :D

Hi MDV, chill out I'm not $%&#king your wife :)

I think maybe your misunderstanding the use of the word tone, like nfe said, of-course a 'bucker wont sound like a SC and a highgain amp wont sound like a plexi.

I didn't say that gear doesn't have an impact on the 'quality of the sound'(aka tone). I said, technique has far more to do with how we hear good tone than the gear it's self. 

If we could take a 59Paul and put it through a Dumble, then let Herman Lii play it and then Robben Ford what do you think would happen?
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Re: Twinfan's top 10 guitar tone 'wisdoms'
« Reply #49 on: January 07, 2009, 01:09:02 AM »
If we could take a 59Paul and put it through a Dumble, then let Herman Lii play it and then Robben Ford what do you think would happen?

I dunno, but call me when Herman's finished so I can come and listen to Robben.  I'll be in the car park or somewhere, out of earshot.
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Re: Twinfan's top 10 guitar tone 'wisdoms'
« Reply #50 on: January 07, 2009, 01:10:21 AM »
Hey man, I'm chilled as an antarctic cucumber

See, now youre talking about the quality of the player. Thier ability to play the guitar. Li sucks. Ford rules. 'Tis a transparent rhetorical device mate, and I aint falling for it. A good player is indeed a good player on anything. Thats not the point. The point is tone, and that tone is is any majority in the player is a myth. Like I've said, get ford to play through a Herbert and see how his tone changes ;)

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Re: Twinfan's top 10 guitar tone 'wisdoms'
« Reply #51 on: January 07, 2009, 01:18:53 AM »
sigh... I wasn't trying to get you to fall for anything, I was just trying to make a point.

You may not have read what I said about 'tone' as I edited it into my last reply a bit late but I think maybe we're talking about different things. Tone(players quality/technique) vs Tone(Highgain-lowgain etc).

Either way I'm not going to be pulled(anymore)into an argument about it :)
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Re: Twinfan's top 10 guitar tone 'wisdoms'
« Reply #52 on: January 07, 2009, 01:44:20 AM »
I don't think anyone has said anything on the difference in tone from using different picks

from what I remember comparing a red jazz III XL to a 3mm big stubby months ago (and if my ears were not playing tricks on me)

the jazz III had more bite in the attack while the stubby had a tiny bit more bass while palm muting, the stubby also doesn't mask any accidental ringing strings while a jazz III will while sweeping so it made me practice my technique more

I'll compare them tomorrow and check (I bet they sound completely different to how I remember, I recently turned from a mid scooper to a mid cranker which might have some affect)
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Re: Twinfan's top 10 guitar tone 'wisdoms'
« Reply #53 on: January 07, 2009, 07:41:03 AM »
3 )  Anything expensive is nearly always worth the cost, unless it's specifically designed for collectors.  In which case it isn't.  This now applies to vintage gear, which should be left to the aforementioned collectors. Strongly disagree and it contradicts point 7 a bit.

It doesn't contradict #7, as I say "nearly always"  ;)

I realise after thinking about it a bit more that I should have said 'around 80% of the time' not 'nearly always'.  There's more exceptions than I first thought....

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Re: Twinfan's top 10 guitar tone 'wisdoms'
« Reply #54 on: January 07, 2009, 08:35:48 AM »
I don't think anyone has said anything on the difference in tone from using different picks

from what I remember comparing a red jazz III XL to a 3mm big stubby months ago (and if my ears were not playing tricks on me)

the jazz III had more bite in the attack while the stubby had a tiny bit more bass while palm muting, the stubby also doesn't mask any accidental ringing strings while a jazz III will while sweeping so it made me practice my technique more

I'll compare them tomorrow and check (I bet they sound completely different to how I remember, I recently turned from a mid scooper to a mid cranker which might have some affect)

Have you tried the Ultex Jazz 3 yet? Different tone again, shame they don't do an XL version

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Re: Twinfan's top 10 guitar tone 'wisdoms'
« Reply #55 on: January 07, 2009, 09:06:29 AM »
Very interesting thread :D

A big plus from me on the difference that picks make - never really noticed before, but I've been doing some recording over the last few weeks and I've been switching picks (on the same guitar and amp settings) to get different tones for different overdubs.

I'm not sure on the "is tone-in-the-fingers true/false?" debate, but I can add to it slightly:

I use modellers now, not amps (so take this with a pinch of salt), but I find that with all amp model types and all of my guitars I tend to reach for the same basic "my-tone". And I usually reach it - humbuckers, single-coils, through Marshall/Fender/etc... and I always sound pretty much like me.

The differences are usually to do with how clean or not I want it, whether I'm playing rock n roll, or blues, or rock, or something else. Also, sometimes I want a distinctive "that's a strat!" (or whatever) sound - you kinda need to pick up the strat for that if you've got one... (however, I can make my MQ'd Explorer sound surprisingly close enough, or even my Mule'd Love Rock...)

Overall, in the past 12 months, "my tone" seems to be something that is a lot more "fixed" than I ever imagined before I started buying all these different guitars and pickups (and discovered amp modelling).

BUT - to possibly contradict everything I've just said: I still find if I play the Love Rock exclusively for a few days, it takes me several hours to get into a telecaster or strat (and vice versa) afterwards. I'm talking about the sounds I get out of the speakers, not the feel of the neck etc... Now, is that to do with the inherent "tone" of the beasts, or is it because I'm learning to deal with a more/less distorted sound?? Who knows? (Or cares :lol:)

Finally, another big plus to what someone else said earlier (38th I think) - when you think you've got your settings, roll everything back just a tad... usually sounds loads better! (applies to guitar controls, amp controls, fancy eq/effects in the mix, everything)
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Re: Twinfan's top 10 guitar tone 'wisdoms'
« Reply #58 on: January 07, 2009, 01:43:37 PM »
1) Get used to and love your guitar. I bought my Gibson in a heartbeat after just picking it up because I'd never played one before. It is not the best playing or sounding guitar I've ever played but to me, it has character and I'm always suprised at how it feels when I pick it up and how it sounds when I get to crank my Marshall.

2) We're all members of various forums, I'm sure. Don't get caught up in forum euphoria over certain bits of gear. I've seen it happen on this forum (I KNOW we all love Bareknuckles, but this is for something else...). What I mean is, when one person gets ranting and raving over one piece of gear, a lot of people go out and buy it. I did it. I bought a HBE Big D, it sounds GOOD but when I was pissing about with my pedals at practice one night, it didnt sound THAT much better than boosting my amp with a Boss EQ.

3) You will never be happy 100% with everything in your rig. It's just fact. I'd prefer a different overdrive to my Big D (looking at Blackstar DistX, some of the tones I've heard from that thing are amazing).

4) Name your gear. All of it. It just makes it all more personal. So far I have named my gear...

Explorer (Black Beast of Aaaaaargh)
Red No-name strat (Hank)
Jackson Kelly (Kelly, duh)
Epi SG (Dazzler, named after the person who gave it to me)
JCM800 (Elvis)
Vox Wah (w**ker)
Boss Tuner (fixit)
MXR p90 (Wibble)
Boss Tremolo (Wobble)

5) Have fun. It's not the end of the world if you don't have the best gear or if your cables aren't GeorgeL or Cleartone. Go out and have fun. It's all just noise and I BET that once you get lost in your own little world, you won't care about how you sound as you'll have such a nice time playing. A friend of mine REFUSES to come down to Jam nights because he can only bring his guitar and will be playing through an amp he doesn't like (not because he has never played it, it is because it's a Fender and it doesn't have br00tal gain).

so go out, have fun and PLAY, PLAY, PLAY, PLAY PLAY!!!!!!


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Re: Twinfan's top 10 guitar tone 'wisdoms'
« Reply #59 on: January 07, 2009, 02:51:40 PM »
*L*

What does *L* mean?
..er laugh

I suppose I was trying to understand why you did *L* rather than lol or LOL  :roll: