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Re: Denim Blue + Multiscale build thread?
« Reply #165 on: July 08, 2009, 10:34:35 AM »
I'm now waiting for Saturday (pick up day) with all the patience and excitement of a 4 year old waiting for Christmas ...
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Re: Denim Blue + Multiscale build thread?
« Reply #166 on: July 11, 2009, 02:24:59 PM »
Mr Wez is a clever man.

The guitar is absolutely everything that I hoped for.

I'll post some pics later, but I'm off to play it for a few hours now ...
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Re: Denim Blue + Multiscale build thread?
« Reply #167 on: July 11, 2009, 03:55:31 PM »
Nice one :D
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Re: Denim Blue + Multiscale build thread?
« Reply #168 on: July 11, 2009, 05:11:19 PM »
Hadn't visited this thread for ages, and I'm absolutely astonished at how great the guitar both looks and sounds! Tony, I'm deeply jealous (even though I'd probably just get confused by the fanned frets!). Wez, another stunning piece of work there!

Oh, and that sound clip has sold me on getting a Crawler bridge for something!
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Re: Denim Blue + Multiscale build thread?
« Reply #169 on: July 12, 2009, 02:14:01 AM »
even though I'd probably just get confused by the fanned frets!


thanks for the kind words guys

i hope tony will now be a new soldier in the war against this kind of talk!!

tony came today and picked it up and started playing.  a few moments later he said he had to look to check it was actually fanned fret.  thats exactly the same response i got from roo.  i hope hat means i got the scale lengths right for both of them.  i know some people find it odd (it tends to be people that have played the same scale length for most of their playing that struggle most) , but its always less odd than they expect it to be

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Re: Denim Blue + Multiscale build thread?
« Reply #170 on: July 12, 2009, 11:02:46 AM »
Does that bridge only work for multi-scales, Wez?
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Re: Denim Blue + Multiscale build thread?
« Reply #171 on: July 12, 2009, 11:41:03 AM »
that bridge is just graphtech saddles attached to an ebony plate - it could be made non-fanned too.  its a very comfy design

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Re: Denim Blue + Multiscale build thread?
« Reply #172 on: July 12, 2009, 03:51:32 PM »
Here's some pics ...









After I'd been playing it for a couple of minutes, I seriously did have to check that I was playing a fanned fret guitar because it felt so natural and easy.  Now, I'm not a 50-note-per-second shredder, so it might differ for different styles, but for "normal" playing, this thing just feels completely comfortable.

The Crawler is totally excellent for vintage rock sounds through my JTM 60, the MQ is also a great sounding p'up, but I'd expected "more" for some reason.  The Graphtech Ghost piezo system produces some really nice warm acoustic sounds, and add an extra bit of clarity and bite when blended in with the other pickups. 

I started this year with a plan to thin-out my collection of guitars - just because I realised that I had some that I wasn't playing often enough.  So far, I've sold 2 and taken one to pieces.  This Vendetta is the 6th addition though ... so the plan hasn't been too successful.

If I ever get permission to post in the "Seconds Out" forum, then expect to see some "for sale" postings from me over the next few weeks.  Does anyone know why I'd be blocked??


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Re: Denim Blue + Multiscale build thread?
« Reply #173 on: July 12, 2009, 05:25:12 PM »
might just be worth having a play with the height on the MQ - small changes can make a big difference and i have had BKP's thats just jumped into life with half a turn

thx for the pics!

on the 2nds out thing - i think it took a few weeks for me once i had asked permission

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Re: Denim Blue + Multiscale build thread?
« Reply #174 on: July 12, 2009, 06:56:19 PM »
might just be worth having a play with the height on the MQ - small changes can make a big difference and i have had BKP's thats just jumped into life with half a turn

thx for the pics!

on the 2nds out thing - i think it took a few weeks for me once i had asked permission

Will do - screwdrivers are coming out next.

I'll do some proper pics for you, for (a) the website and (b) your next PG submission!  Those were just some quickies that I took this afternoon whilst the sun was out, and whilst I'd been told to turn the amp off for just a little while.  Apparently 60w of Marshall amp can be heard on the road outside the house, even with all the windows closed.  The road is a good 100m away, and I didn't turn it past halfway.   :lol:

Who do you ask for "permission" to post in 2nds out?
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Re: Denim Blue + Multiscale build thread?
« Reply #175 on: July 12, 2009, 07:26:00 PM »
that bridge is just graphtech saddles attached to an ebony plate - it could be made non-fanned too.  its a very comfy design
Would non-fanned make it just straight? I like it cause it's angled to be honest.

What is a multi-scale for tbh? I don't know much about them at all.
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Re: Denim Blue + Multiscale build thread?
« Reply #176 on: July 12, 2009, 07:28:07 PM »
Looks damn cute GuiTony, damn cute...

Lovely work Wez :D
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Re: Denim Blue + Multiscale build thread?
« Reply #177 on: July 12, 2009, 08:57:18 PM »
that bridge is just graphtech saddles attached to an ebony plate - it could be made non-fanned too.  its a very comfy design
Would non-fanned make it just straight? I like it cause it's angled to be honest.

What is a multi-scale for tbh? I don't know much about them at all.

the plate can be any shape you want - the saddles are placed according to scale length. so yeah, they would be more straight on a standard guitar

the point in doing fanned frets is to try and improve the tension across the strings - this has tonal benefits too and if you want the sales pitch look at the novax site
http://www.novaxguitars.com/info/concept.html

i quite often use a upright piano analogy.  I have a vertically strung piano at home.  its bass notes have the sound of the wet fart and this is common on most vertically strung pianos, a weak note with a lack of sustain.
what piano builders did is decide to put the bass strings diagonally instead - this is an overstrung piano and gives a string length more comparable to a grand piano.  they have much stronger bass notes.

piano and harp buidlers understand that string work best at a given length.  thicker strings that are intedned for lowe notes work best when they are long.  High note strings work best when they are short and thin.

guitars are no different - except most are built with a fixed scale length for ease of construction.  you really start to see the failing with this when playing 7/8 string guitars or 5 string basses.  quite often people have issues with tension and the 'wet-fart' effect on these extra strings... its because a compromised system is being pushed beyond its limits

most people dont think its necessary to do it on 6 string guitars as they 'work just fine'.  i agree that its not necessary as i still like normal guitars, but it does seem to be producing the same positive effect it does on extended range instruments

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Re: Denim Blue + Multiscale build thread?
« Reply #178 on: July 12, 2009, 10:53:49 PM »
I understand where you're coming from, and owning and seven string I understand the 'wet fart' effect. I just can't fully accept that you're gonna have to adjust your fretting a slight tad.
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Re: Denim Blue + Multiscale build thread?
« Reply #179 on: July 13, 2009, 12:07:52 AM »
I understand where you're coming from, and owning and seven string I understand the 'wet fart' effect. I just can't fully accept that you're gonna have to adjust your fretting a slight tad.

When you're next over these parts, i should have my 2nd FF7 done, and i'll convert you :)

Wez, you've outdone yourself man :) Way to fly the FF flag!
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