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Re: Discussion: What makes a guitar "hand made"?
« Reply #15 on: March 19, 2009, 06:36:04 PM »
i will say this, for the best combination of CNC and 'hand made' look no further than duncan at organic guitars

http://www.organicguitars.co.uk/

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Re: Discussion: What makes a guitar "hand made"?
« Reply #16 on: March 19, 2009, 07:56:46 PM »
would i need to be chopping down my own trees and carving a guitar with a spoon for it to be handmade

yes. actually, i'd prefer it if i knew you'd planted the tree too, and watered it every day etc. no non-organic plant foods to be used either.

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Re: Discussion: What makes a guitar "hand made"?
« Reply #17 on: March 19, 2009, 07:59:07 PM »
I dont see the point in worrying about it.  I like to know how a guitar has been built and who has put it together or designed it.

It don't worry about it. But deliberately misleading advertising targeting the folks that do pisses me off.

By bulk, I guess in pratice I mean the work that transforms it from bits of shaped wood to a true guitar I don't know of a single major manufacturer other than Martin and customs shops where that's the case. I mean, there's barely a human hand touches a Fender, Gibson, PRS, Gretsch, Ibanez, etc etc until that hand is holding a duster!

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Re: Discussion: What makes a guitar "hand made"?
« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2009, 09:40:58 PM »


:o I definitevely would like her phone number :lol:


If that's your taste in women you would probably want this hot chicks phone number too?




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Re: Discussion: What makes a guitar "hand made"?
« Reply #19 on: March 19, 2009, 09:47:16 PM »
If that's your taste in women you would probably want this hot chicks phone number too?

 :lol: :lol:  Glad I wasn't eating then, I would've choked! 

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Re: Discussion: What makes a guitar "hand made"?
« Reply #20 on: March 19, 2009, 10:01:09 PM »
As the thread suggests there's no definitive answer, it's all down to opinions.

But....I would probably say it's now heavily used as a marketing term - used often by small builders who can't afford/have no need for CNC machines.

And the term's often used in such a way to insinuate that their product is superior to the companies that can afford a CNC machine..

... and I've owned far too many handmade guitars and been blinded by the superiority hyperbole enough times now to not pay any attention to it.

You can never stock enough un-obtanium when it comes to high-end products. Guitars, or otherwise.
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Re: Discussion: What makes a guitar "hand made"?
« Reply #21 on: March 19, 2009, 10:01:58 PM »
If that's your taste in women you would probably want this hot chicks phone number too?

 :lol: :lol:  Glad I wasn't eating then, I would've choked! 

Surely they were separated at birth... that nose, that hair, that forehead....

uncanny aint it!



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Re: Discussion: What makes a guitar "hand made"?
« Reply #22 on: March 19, 2009, 10:59:31 PM »
As the thread suggests there's no definitive answer, it's all down to opinions.

But....I would probably say it's now heavily used as a marketing term - used often by small builders who can't afford/have no need for CNC machines.

And the term's often used in such a way to insinuate that their product is superior to the companies that can afford a CNC machine..

... and I've owned far too many handmade guitars and been blinded by the superiority hyperbole enough times now to not pay any attention to it.

You can never stock enough un-obtanium when it comes to high-end products. Guitars, or otherwise.

Good use of unobtainium!

I agree. I've played some stunning handmade guitars (own one - Legra, another on the way, costruction is starting now), some that are just comparable with very good production guitars (my dean for example - its a custom shop dean, but its not setting the earth on fire) and have seen (and avoided) some really shite stuff.

Another couple of things that youre often buying into with handmade gear is bespokeness - getting it 100% how you want it, and the experience and skill of a craftsman. I mean how many people round here use BKs not because of the hype (which they no doubt have) but because we've dealt with Tim, and know his expertise and skills to be prodigious? How many people that got custom builds bought it because of the guy you were dealing with as much as the reputation of the product? (I know thats what it was for me with Legra and Bob, and no doubt is with Jonathon and Wez (havent had the pleasure myself, save on the boards)). Thats all part of the "Handmade" thing - whos hands are they??

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Re: Discussion: What makes a guitar "hand made"?
« Reply #23 on: March 19, 2009, 11:07:44 PM »
If that's your taste in women you would probably want this hot chicks phone number too?

 :lol: :lol:  Glad I wasn't eating then, I would've choked! 

Surely they were separated at birth... that nose, that hair, that forehead....
:lol: +1

I think at that point it's called a fivehead!

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Re: Discussion: What makes a guitar "hand made"?
« Reply #24 on: March 19, 2009, 11:09:28 PM »


:o I definitevely would like her phone number :lol:


If that's your taste in women you would probably want this hot chicks phone number too?





Pah, she aint bad looking, and is probably 1000 times more interesting and fun than the pretty-but-moronic birds you pick up on a night out!

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Re: Discussion: What makes a guitar "hand made"?
« Reply #25 on: March 19, 2009, 11:16:28 PM »
And on the plus side this one actually looks like a bird!  win/win :lol:

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Re: Discussion: What makes a guitar "hand made"?
« Reply #26 on: March 19, 2009, 11:17:46 PM »
Pah, she aint bad looking, and is probably 1000 times more interesting and fun than the pretty-but-moronic birds you pick up on a night out!

which one are you talking about? :?

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Re: Discussion: What makes a guitar "hand made"?
« Reply #27 on: March 19, 2009, 11:22:39 PM »
I dont see the point in worrying about it.  I like to know how a guitar has been built and who has put it together or designed it.

It don't worry about it. But deliberately misleading advertising targeting the folks that do pisses me off.

By bulk, I guess in pratice I mean the work that transforms it from bits of shaped wood to a true guitar I don't know of a single major manufacturer other than Martin and customs shops where that's the case. I mean, there's barely a human hand touches a Fender, Gibson, PRS, Gretsch, Ibanez, etc etc until that hand is holding a duster!

I don't think that it's quite as simple as that. Certainly the process that PRS use involves a lot of human interaction (wood selection, spraying, fitting hardware and electronics), although the body and neck shaping is done by CNC... I wouldn't want to make any guesses about lower cost stuff though.

As Blackmachine's been mentioned, the B6 necks and bodies are pre-cut to his spec but the custom stuff is built from the wood up in Doug's workshop. ;) I think that he has a router template for the bodies but the neck on my B2 is definitely hand carved.
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Re: Discussion: What makes a guitar "hand made"?
« Reply #28 on: March 19, 2009, 11:26:51 PM »
Pah, she aint bad looking, and is probably 1000 times more interesting and fun than the pretty-but-moronic birds you pick up on a night out!

which one are you talking about? :?
:lol:



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Re: Discussion: What makes a guitar "hand made"?
« Reply #29 on: March 19, 2009, 11:33:06 PM »

I mean, there's barely a human hand touches a Fender, Gibson, PRS, Gretsch, Ibanez, etc etc until that hand is holding a duster!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6T_tXP0W2zU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzxV1_ZGj4w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERV5E5uhLAM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRsr8QN-0BI

Lots of hands!!

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