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Painkiller set capable of these cleans?
« on: April 15, 2009, 06:00:50 AM »
Guitar's mahogany Ibanez S7320.

This is from my current Swamp Ash guitar, me playing a sloppy rendition of Rammstein's "Seemann" bassline. Pickups are stock, coil tap engaged, and settings are in the following order:
1. Neck, tone dial 10
2. Neck, tone dial 0
3. Bridge/Neck, tone dial 10
4. Bridge/Neck, tone dial 0

Amp is Line 6 Spider III 15, mic'd by Shure SM58 to TonePort UX2.  Settings have low mid and bass, high treble. Only effects turned is reverb.

Wondering if a Painkiller set, coil tapped, is capable of making these cleans. Granted, I'm using this guitar primarily for Rammstein-style Industrial Metal and Nevermorish material. Still, it'd be nice to have the cleans for those quiet moments. Again, forgive the playing. :oops:

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Re: Painkiller set capable of these cleans?
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2009, 10:39:12 AM »
IMHO you could get reasonably close to the neck sound.  Maybe not the exact tone but near enough in terms of feel & dynamics.  The PK neck is the only BKP ceramic neck pickup & the full humbucker is very punchy, powerful & "in yer face".  I find it quite a "hard" clean sound.  But coil-splitting gives you a decent useable clean tone.

Can't really comment on the mixed bridge/neck tones as I never coil-split the bridge & rarely use the middle selector position.

But here's an alternate suggestion: If you use the neck mainly for cleans (or to put it another way, if you don't need the neck for noodly high gain sweep-picking solos), then try a Cold Sweat neck (or even a VHII) with the PK bridge.  That gives you much more versatility...
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Re: Painkiller set capable of these cleans?
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2009, 02:25:17 PM »
Well, Ill be attempting plenty of sweeps, legato, and tapping kind of in the Nevermore style. Thing that comes to mind is the "This Godless Endeavor" solo. Now Jeff Loomis uses EMG 707s in both neck and bridge, but that particular segment of the song sounds nice and fluid.

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Re: Painkiller set capable of these cleans?
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2009, 08:45:17 PM »
i've got a set of painkillers in an ibanes S470, and i love the neck pickup. almost obscenely.  :)
but i don't think you can really get that seemann tone with them, unless split, maybe... holy diver neck is closer, in my opinion.

playing was not so bad, after all!  :)
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Re: Painkiller set capable of these cleans?
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2009, 12:53:53 AM »
i've got a set of painkillers in an ibanes S470, and i love the neck pickup. almost obscenely.  :)
but i don't think you can really get that seemann tone with them, unless split, maybe... holy diver neck is closer, in my opinion.

playing was not so bad, after all!  :)
Mmm... split as in engage one coil only? I never got the difference between tapping and splitting, and parallel and whatnot.

Haha, thank you. :)

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Re: Painkiller set capable of these cleans?
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2009, 06:23:15 AM »
Coil split is using 1 coil of a 'bucker (so similar to single coil). Tapping is taking the output from the coil part way through the winding, e.g. after 3500 winds of a 7000 wind pup (or something like that).
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Re: Painkiller set capable of these cleans?
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2009, 11:10:48 PM »
Coil split is using 1 coil of a 'bucker (so similar to single coil). Tapping is taking the output from the coil part way through the winding, e.g. after 3500 winds of a 7000 wind pup (or something like that).
So I guess split is what I'm looking for.

So... anyone with experience concerning a split Painkiller?

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Re: Painkiller set capable of these cleans?
« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2009, 12:03:15 PM »
Coil split is using 1 coil of a 'bucker (so similar to single coil). Tapping is taking the output from the coil part way through the winding, e.g. after 3500 winds of a 7000 wind pup (or something like that).
So I guess split is what I'm looking for.

So... anyone with experience concerning a split Painkiller?

 I have a split bridge.

I cant hear the clips though.

What do you want to know?

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Re: Painkiller set capable of these cleans?
« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2009, 02:24:42 PM »
Coil split is using 1 coil of a 'bucker (so similar to single coil). Tapping is taking the output from the coil part way through the winding, e.g. after 3500 winds of a 7000 wind pup (or something like that).
So I guess split is what I'm looking for.

So... anyone with experience concerning a split Painkiller?

 I have a split bridge.

I cant hear the clips though.

What do you want to know?
Mmm... I wanted to hear a split neck and a split neck/bridge.

Clip is attached to the first post, piano.mp3. I wanted to know if a split neck and split neck/bridge on a Painkiller set could make cleans as heard in the mp3.

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Re: Painkiller set capable of these cleans?
« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2009, 02:25:48 PM »
And I cant hear the clip at the moment so I asked....

matters not, I'll listen when I get home.

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Re: Painkiller set capable of these cleans?
« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2009, 02:51:28 PM »
And I cant hear the clip at the moment so I asked....

matters not, I'll listen when I get home.
Ah, apologies... here's mediafire if people are still having trouble.

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Re: Painkiller set capable of these cleans?
« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2009, 02:52:51 PM »
No its cos I'm at work. (Slow day at work)

You'll just have to wait a few hours. (or for someone else with a split PK to come along)

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Re: Painkiller set capable of these cleans?
« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2009, 02:56:01 PM »
No its cos I'm at work. (Slow day at work)

You'll just have to wait a few hours. (or for someone else with a split PK to come along)
Dear god, my lack of communicative understanding is appalling.

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Re: Painkiller set capable of these cleans?
« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2009, 04:45:59 PM »
ok, here i am.
and as usual i've overdone things a bit...

you've got:

PK bridge and neck doing an almost rammstein-unrelated arpeggio in full humbucker mode and almost split. almost because they're actually mixed with the middle humbucker, but the latter is so far from the strings that it works more or less like an hum-cancelling splitter.
Mule, MQ, Stockholm, CS, RY, MM, PK, ANB, CNB, AWP, CWP, PiG90...

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Re: Painkiller set capable of these cleans?
« Reply #14 on: April 17, 2009, 04:50:33 PM »
here is the same arpeggio in a mix with bass and synths, and finally what PKs do best...
Mule, MQ, Stockholm, CS, RY, MM, PK, ANB, CNB, AWP, CWP, PiG90...

too many? ;)