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Jonny

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Lisbon Treaty
« on: November 04, 2009, 10:32:03 AM »
Just read this on the headlines and apparently we're all screwed? Only thing I'm annoyed about is both influential parties, the Tories and Brown and his cronnies have both let us down with a vote.

So I'm really only annoyed at the fact we were left out of a say, but more on this Lisbon Treaty. It's supposed to unite the EU into a more "more democratic, more transparent and more efficient"?

Sounds to me its just gonna be more controlling on us, bad enough with Brown now we're gonna have some EU President bloke telling us what to do but I'm struggling to put up more of a debate than that.

Anyone have a say on this? Or can educate me more on this fiasco.

PS. Brown wants Blair to be President - ha!
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Re: Lisbon Treaty
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2009, 10:37:58 AM »
Me and the other 60% of the Dutch people voted against it in a referendum. Our govt. signed it anyway.

So much for democracy.
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Re: Lisbon Treaty
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2009, 10:51:08 AM »
We haven't even had the referendum.
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Re: Lisbon Treaty
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2009, 01:24:46 PM »
I am not quite sure how we are supposed to lobby our opposition to it?
Does it actually have anything to do with parliament, or is it more to do with our local MEP?

I occasionally follow Dan Hannan (SE UK MEP) on Youtube, and as many points as he raises there, there never seems to be anyone else there, and if there is, then they don't pay attention to what he says
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Re: Lisbon Treaty
« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2009, 01:27:07 PM »
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I am not quite sure how we are supposed to lobby our opposition to it?

grab pitch forks and torches and march on westminster!
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Re: Lisbon Treaty
« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2009, 01:45:23 PM »
Quote from: Dmoney on November 04, 2009, 01:27:07 PM
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I am not quite sure how we are supposed to lobby our opposition to it?

grab pitch forks and torches and march on westminster!
Except so called anti terror laws prohibit political protest of any kind within a certain distance of Westminister.
Orwell would be hideously disappointed.
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Will

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Re: Lisbon Treaty
« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2009, 01:46:50 PM »
Howsabout Brussels?
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Dmoney

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Re: Lisbon Treaty
« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2009, 01:50:52 PM »
Quote from: maverickf1jockey on November 04, 2009, 01:45:23 PM
Quote from: Dmoney on November 04, 2009, 01:27:07 PM
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I am not quite sure how we are supposed to lobby our opposition to it?

grab pitch forks and torches and march on westminster!
Except so called anti terror laws prohibit political protest of any kind within a certain distance of Westminister.
Orwell would be hideously disappointed.

agreed. 1984 is a warning, not a manual
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Re: Lisbon Treaty
« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2009, 02:20:20 PM »
I suspect the anti-Europe group within the Tories will eventually force Cameron into a simple 'in or out' referendum... and that will be the end of the UK's involvement in the EU  :?
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Re: Lisbon Treaty
« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2009, 02:43:34 PM »
It doesn't sound that amazingly terrible or anything I just would've thought the POPULATION of the UK had a say in it. Rather than an idiot, or another idiot who doesn't like the first idiot.

We'll see what happens in December really.
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Re: Lisbon Treaty
« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2009, 02:56:40 PM »
all this stuff plays to the BNP a bit... maybe.
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Re: Lisbon Treaty
« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2009, 05:16:46 PM »
i have to say i did not see this coming... :lol:

I'm not sure about the EU, to be honest. Some things are good, but some are bad. And it doesn't help like it seems there are a bunch of people who seem to have nothing better to do than make up random rules. :lol:

Quote from: Ratrod on November 04, 2009, 10:37:58 AM
Me and the other 60% of the Dutch people voted against it in a referendum. Our govt. signed it anyway.

So much for democracy.

that sucks. that's arguably even more annoying than what's happening to us.
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Ratrod

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Re: Lisbon Treaty
« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2009, 12:35:49 PM »
And that's just the tip of the iceberg, Dave.
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Re: Lisbon Treaty
« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2009, 01:16:42 PM »
I wonder how Hunter sees this living in Brussels?

Many moons ago I lived in Strasbourg and the profligacy of the EU was a sight to behold - you cannot believe the amount of money that was wasted there and the number of people who enjoyed tax-free jobs on the back of the EU.

IMHO no politician has ever succeeding in explaining the benefits of the EU to the man in the street. They claim that it is good for business but you can make just as good a case for why being outside the EU is good for you. For the average consumer the advantages have never been clearly and succinctly stated by any of the parties (which makes you wonder if there are any....).

Viva la revolucion....
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Re: Lisbon Treaty
« Reply #14 on: November 05, 2009, 01:25:37 PM »
Quote from: Dmoney on November 04, 2009, 02:56:40 PM
all this stuff plays to the BNP a bit... maybe.

It does, but only with the terminally stupid.
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