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Re: I'm 27 today
« Reply #30 on: May 16, 2010, 08:15:36 AM »
And I really feel past it.
Like I've lost all the chances to do the things I want musically, careerwise, in life.
I've lost all interest in everything. I don't really listen to music any more, or play guitar that much, or go to see bands.

This sounds too much like... me.  I turned 27 a couple of months ago.  I feel old as well.  Part of me is still clinging defiantly to childhood, when all the people I knew in school, are married and/or have kids.  Then things feel really bleak when my thoughts turn to the fact that I'm 27 and still live with my mum and stepfather.

Dude I can trump that. Due to circumstances and the housing market, as am I, and I'm significantly older. Sure I had a while away living with the girlfriend but when that all fell apart I found myself in the position where house prices had all gone mental and I could no longer afford the house I wanted to buy without sacrificing all my interests and becoming a slave to it. My other problem is that I don't see the intrinsic value of houses. They're just a box to live in that I can't get excited about and for that reason I find spending shiteloads on one when I currently don't need to, not particularly enticing.

Luckily I really get on with my parents and indeed, since I got older have connected even more with them (particularly my dad as we share a lot of interests). As such they've never pushed me out and as we all give each other plenty of space, I've never felt the need to leave. Still the option is there. In fact the cars are really just my saved up house deposit made metal (wasn't making any interest in the bank so why not). All you have to deal with really is the stigma that comes with living with your parents when you're older. *shurgs* at this point in time, it works for me.
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Re: I'm 27 today
« Reply #31 on: May 16, 2010, 09:59:01 AM »

The price of houses means many people will be living with parents a lot longer.  In Spain this is normal where families all live together.  Perhaps we should be more like that.

If interest prices go up significantly we''ll be back living with parents with 2 kids as we'll have no choice.  But it would be okay.

It doesn't matter what other poeple are doing, just about what you are doing and either accepting the situation or changing it.

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Re: I'm 27 today
« Reply #32 on: May 20, 2010, 11:13:04 PM »
A lot of what Dmoney (and others) are saying here is pretty familiar ground for me to.

I also lost my mum last year, in March, after she'd suffered with a brain tumor since the previous August. She'd had two operations and a course of radiotherapy, and having to see her going through that knowing there was nothing I could do to help was very difficult to take. She died at home, with my dad and I there. Seeing that is without a doubt the single most difficult thing I've ever done, and it's a memory I'll carry until my dying day.

Then in June last year, I was made redundant from my job as newspaper sub-editor, via a 'skills matrix' system (rather than last in, first out), which took no account of the effect my mum's death had had on my performance, or the fact I hadn't missed a single day's work throughout it.

I was out of work for six months, during which I lost interest in most things - picked up a guitar infrequently because I was p!ssed off at all the money I had tied up in them, couldn't be bothered to keep myself in decent shape or eat properly.

I've had counselling to deal with bereavement, which I've found very useful to be honest - without it I'm reasonably sure that the anger I had at the situation would have got the better of me at some point.

My friends also played a huge part in helping me through it, and they still are to a large extent. I'm back working now, in the third sector not journalism - meaning I've abandoned the career I wanted since I was 16 - but it's a good job which should hopefully have a good career path to it.

I'm also trying to get fit again, and playing guitar is giving me a real buzz for the first time in a long while. Fortunately I never lost interest in music itself, but I understand how it can happen.

Not everthing's perfect now by any means - I turned 29 on May 16, and it's that stage of life where most friends are long-term coupled up, engaged or getting married (there are 2 sets of friends' weddlings this month alone), whereas I'm perpetually and unhappily single. But hopefully that will change.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that it is possible to come through these things. I'm not through it yet, but I'm getting there. There's no simple answer by any means, although some of the advice already given, about diet, excercise and sleep in particular, is very sensible.

I hope things get better for everyone here who's had or is having a rough time.

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Re: I'm 27 today
« Reply #33 on: May 21, 2010, 12:05:20 PM »
A lot of what Dmoney (and others) are saying here is pretty familiar ground for me to.

I also lost my mum last year, in March, after she'd suffered with a brain tumor since the previous August. She'd had two operations and a course of radiotherapy, and having to see her going through that knowing there was nothing I could do to help was very difficult to take. She died at home, with my dad and I there. Seeing that is without a doubt the single most difficult thing I've ever done, and it's a memory I'll carry until my dying day.

Then in June last year, I was made redundant from my job as newspaper sub-editor, via a 'skills matrix' system (rather than last in, first out), which took no account of the effect my mum's death had had on my performance, or the fact I hadn't missed a single day's work throughout it.

I was out of work for six months, during which I lost interest in most things - picked up a guitar infrequently because I was p!ssed off at all the money I had tied up in them, couldn't be bothered to keep myself in decent shape or eat properly.

I've had counselling to deal with bereavement, which I've found very useful to be honest - without it I'm reasonably sure that the anger I had at the situation would have got the better of me at some point.

My friends also played a huge part in helping me through it, and they still are to a large extent. I'm back working now, in the third sector not journalism - meaning I've abandoned the career I wanted since I was 16 - but it's a good job which should hopefully have a good career path to it.

I'm also trying to get fit again, and playing guitar is giving me a real buzz for the first time in a long while. Fortunately I never lost interest in music itself, but I understand how it can happen.

Not everthing's perfect now by any means - I turned 29 on May 16, and it's that stage of life where most friends are long-term coupled up, engaged or getting married (there are 2 sets of friends' weddlings this month alone), whereas I'm perpetually and unhappily single. But hopefully that will change.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that it is possible to come through these things. I'm not through it yet, but I'm getting there. There's no simple answer by any means, although some of the advice already given, about diet, excercise and sleep in particular, is very sensible.

I hope things get better for everyone here who's had or is having a rough time.

Si

That was a very engaging narrative ( not surprisingly - given your last 'Day job' ) .  I also thought it demonstrated / outlined very helpfully and clearly, the 'Way out of the woods' - and how naturaly slow that process often is. Slow , but in the way that to benefit from the lessons gleaned - and for the process of regeneration to sit on good foundations , is actually better moving at a sustainable ( as opposed to our prefered ) pace .  It is easier to say with hindsight,  but ( I feel ) important to emphasise  that what often feels like an erratic and slow recovery, is usually a more comprehensive recovery - and that better things follow after, than before - to this 'New' person we evolve into.

I remembered the best advice I was ever given ( which I carried out dutifully , but uncomprehending of it's true value at the time ) - by A Psychiatric constultant when hospitalised in the early 80s . He told me to do my hobbies as usual. At the time, I was just alternating between numb and anxious - and so resisted this idea.

 I said to him :

 " But I don't feel anything when I do them anymore - there is no connection " .

His reply was :

 " I  am not asking you to do them and feel anything, I'm telling you to DO them ! ".

It was a clever ruse of course, as the connections came back, neural pathways needing to be 'tickled' to re-start, whether I knew / felt / understood why or not. Of course doing the things in a state of apathy , fear and futility felt more 'uncomfortable' than leaving them alone in the early weeks and months, but it worked.

We are at least fortunate that we have our beloved hobby / hobbies to return to, and with music, one that often gets stronger and more enjoyable after letting the pasture go fallow for a length of  time.

I think the greatest message I felt from your particular story ( in respect and reverence to all that preceded too of course ) - was that we were sharing the narrative of a natural / healthy 'Life Cycle' of loss - and recovery ; that the narrative had  not only a common, painful core - but that it radiated outwards and shone forward, toward the reasonable expectation of something better .

Not least the Nobility shown in the story of looking after your Mum - and unflinchingly persevering in  "Doing the right thing " for a loved one. Also your good wishes to the preceding contributors showing continued 'greatness of spirit'.

 The stories presented in this thread, reminding us of the universal nature of these experiences - and that there IS a way forward.  As an old Japanese (?) proverb reminds us :

" Fall down eight times, stand up nine".

All the very best with your own carreer and the eventual meeting of a nice partner.

 :)
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Re: I'm 27 today
« Reply #34 on: May 21, 2010, 03:44:18 PM »
chin up bruv and happy birthday!
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Re: I'm 27 today
« Reply #35 on: May 21, 2010, 03:59:40 PM »
Not everthing's perfect now by any means - I turned 29 on May 16, and it's that stage of life where most friends are long-term coupled up, engaged or getting married (there are 2 sets of friends' weddlings this month alone), whereas I'm perpetually and unhappily single. But hopefully that will change.

I was feeling OK but now you're getting me depressed.

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Re: I'm 27 today
« Reply #36 on: May 21, 2010, 04:10:23 PM »
Not everthing's perfect now by any means - I turned 29 on May 16, and it's that stage of life where most friends are long-term coupled up, engaged or getting married (there are 2 sets of friends' weddlings this month alone), whereas I'm perpetually and unhappily single. But hopefully that will change.

i'm 30 years old, only one of my close friends is married ;)
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Re: I'm 27 today
« Reply #37 on: May 21, 2010, 04:28:53 PM »
I'm 32 and several of mine are divorced ;) actually, this is an important fact for people in their mid-late 20s feeling down about their relationship status. There are WAY more available good looking 30 year old women than 25 year old ones, as the 25 year olds are all loved up with some loser who they've split up with by the time they're 30.
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Re: I'm 27 today
« Reply #38 on: May 21, 2010, 04:44:37 PM »
CBT is useful, but sometimes you need an event to change your perceptions enough for it to work. I used to be crippled by low self esteem in my late teens, early twenties and had CBT when I was about 20. It helped me to get by on a day by day basis, but I found that I wasn't able to really change my life until a few years later when I was in a very bad place with a girl. I spoke to a couple of my close female friends about it, and they gave me a fresh (and better) perspective on the situation. This allowed me to completely (seriously) shed the assumed victim role and I've not looked back since (and these days, I wouldn't touch that girl with Afghan Dave's).
 i find it interesting that someone talked about controlling anger. Many people with low mood and self esteem feel the need to keep their anger restrained, as if it's something to be ashamed of and should be kept hidden (maybe it enforces a negative belief that they're a bad person). Personally in my new life I've found that appropriate (important caveat there) expression of anger to be very positive. My life changed when I learned to be pissed off at people for treating me badly.
If you don't get on with CBT try NLP, which kinda does the same thing in a different way. Rather than trying to fix all your personality problems you basically just fake it 'til you make it, until the new behaviours become your normal behaviour.
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Re: I'm 27 today
« Reply #39 on: May 21, 2010, 04:45:15 PM »
I'm 32 and several of mine are divorced ;) actually, this is an important fact for people in their mid-late 20s feeling down about their relationship status. There are WAY more available good looking 30 year old women than 25 year old ones, as the 25 year olds are all loved up with some loser who they've split up with by the time they're 30.

An "Amen " to that !  :)

The 'accidents' seem to  happen early, the real relationships seem to happen later. The effect multiplies into the 40s 50s e.t.c  - especially as we begin to slow down, take stock - and realise that quality wins over quantity anyday .  :D

The future is indeed brighter than most imagine.  Just make sure that you have been working on what you have to offer as a person, in order to merit the potential 'Ms Right' when she arrives .  :)

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Re: I'm 27 today
« Reply #40 on: May 21, 2010, 04:56:35 PM »
CBT is useful, but sometimes you need an event to change your perceptions enough for it to work. I used to be crippled by low self esteem in my late teens, early twenties and had CBT when I was about 20. It helped me to get by on a day by day basis, but I found that I wasn't able to really change my life until a few years later when I was in a very bad place with a girl. I spoke to a couple of my close female friends about it, and they gave me a fresh (and better) perspective on the situation. This allowed me to completely (seriously) shed the assumed victim role and I've not looked back since (and these days, I wouldn't touch that girl with Afghan Dave's).
 i find it interesting that someone talked about controlling anger. Many people with low mood and self esteem feel the need to keep their anger restrained, as if it's something to be ashamed of and should be kept hidden (maybe it enforces a negative belief that they're a bad person). Personally in my new life I've found that appropriate (important caveat there) expression of anger to be very positive. My life changed when I learned to be pissed off at people for treating me badly.
If you don't get on with CBT try NLP, which kinda does the same thing in a different way. Rather than trying to fix all your personality problems you basically just fake it 'til you make it, until the new behaviours become your normal behaviour.

Interesting that you should mention N.L.P - as my 'favourite' G.P is also a N.L.P lecturer . I have not undergone the process directly, but she certainly turned me around by example / by osmosis as it were. I only found out by accident she was 'close to the core' of N.L.P - but a great and ongoing verbal / professional relationship  has (for me ) proved that whatever 'Verbal Voodoo' she has been doing, has proved effective. As I trust her, I was (at first unconciously) trying to deal with attitudes and challenges " In the style of ... " which made me feel her approach in day to day applications.

Also, I must say that having ( the right sort of ) good female friends - and absorbing the perspectives thereof, has also been instrumental in learning endurance, perspective and tenacity.  :D

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Re: I'm 27 today
« Reply #41 on: May 21, 2010, 05:04:12 PM »
I'm 32 and several of mine are divorced ;) actually, this is an important fact for people in their mid-late 20s feeling down about their relationship status. There are WAY more available good looking 30 year old women than 25 year old ones, as the 25 year olds are all loved up with some loser who they've split up with by the time they're 30.

Maybe, but the 30 year olds have a very good chance of coming with a clutch of horrible gobby soon-to-be-teenagers.  :?
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Re: I'm 27 today
« Reply #42 on: May 21, 2010, 05:05:53 PM »
A majority of the mid 20s folk in relationships that I know seem to argue when no ones around, sure the companionship of a relationship is nice but other times they are just really stressful.

To find a special someone you have to get out there and create opportunities to meet them.

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Re: I'm 27 today
« Reply #43 on: May 21, 2010, 05:17:06 PM »
I'm 32 and several of mine are divorced ;) actually, this is an important fact for people in their mid-late 20s feeling down about their relationship status. There are WAY more available good looking 30 year old women than 25 year old ones, as the 25 year olds are all loved up with some loser who they've split up with by the time they're 30.

Maybe, but the 30 year olds have a very good chance of coming with a clutch of horrible gobby soon-to-be-teenagers.  :?

 :lol:

That's exactly why it gets even better / is worth waiting a decade (or two ) later on ...  :wink:

Gobby Gremlins gone !  ( or at least at a distance )   :lol:

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Re: I'm 27 today
« Reply #44 on: May 21, 2010, 05:25:09 PM »
Blimey, you mean I should wait another 5-10 years (by which time I may well have no hair and no ability to see my feet when standing on the bathroom scales).... then I might have a chance of pulling a 50-year-old with bingo wings?

The future's not bright.


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