Dale Farm

[Dmoney]

probably serves em right for going over there, taking local peoples jobs, all living in the same area and refusing to integrate with the rest of the population, being an added burden to local heathcare services... pff. the english!

[nfe]

Does it? I'm busy and generally read UK-centric press.

30 seconds on google tells me it was a crackdown on housing fraud and corruption, which saw mayors and officials arrested and Prime Minister's houses taken down. Brits owned some of them, so did a smorgasbord of disparate people. So it hardly seems to be a comparable situation, nor one that should breed outrage, more sympathy for the people who bought homes not knowing they were illegal (which prosecutors seem to think were in the significant minority).

[Afghan Dave]

..more sympathy for the people who bought homes not knowing they were illegal (which prosecutors seem to think were in the significant minority).

That's the "minority" I read and cared about.

They should have recruited the rent-a-mob from Dale Farm on a Spanish jolly under the cry of:

"As settled, tax paying, law abiding British citizens being granted planning permission is part of our culture - it happens 90% of the time in the Old Country!"

[Frank]

Just heard Police marksmen opened fire at Dale Farm.

One of them won a goldfish and a go on the dodgems.

[mikeluke]

nfe

Unfortunately most people's experience of travellers is not that of law-abiding folks, who just want to be left alone to have a quiet life. Hence the lack of sympathy to their situation.

I would also come back to the question of ethnicity - if these travellers are IRISH travellers, as you suggest, why are they not travelling in IRELAND? If that is their cultural heritage, what makes Ireland so much less attractive than Britain? I just can't reconcile the dichotomy of wanting to retain their Irish cultural roots and heritage but not actually wanting to live in Ireland.

[Dmoney]

a lot came because of the potato famine (middle of the 1800's) and for labour during WWII, some maybe even came after the Irish famine of the 1700's. Romani people have been here since the 1600's easily.

[Afghan Dave]

a lot came because of the potato famine (middle of the 1800's) and for labour during WWII, some maybe even came after the Irish famine of the 1700's. Romani people have been here since the 1600's easily.

A guru of mine once said:

‘If it was only the potatoes that were affected, at the end of the day, you will pay the price for being a fussy eater. If they could afford to emigrate, they could afford to eat at a modest restaurant.’

[Dmoney]

a lot came because of the potato famine (middle of the 1800's) and for labour during WWII, some maybe even came after the Irish famine of the 1700's. Romani people have been here since the 1600's easily.

A guru of mine once said:

‘If it was only the potatoes that were affected, at the end of the day, you will pay the price for being a fussy eater. If they could afford to emigrate, they could afford to eat at a modest restaurant.’

was your guru ever on the Jeremy Kyle show?

oh i see... Alan Partridge.

[Afghan Dave]

[choucas09]

Just heard Police marksmen opened fire at Dale Farm.

One of them won a goldfish and a go on the dodgems.

  Nice to see a bit of levity in this thread.

[Alex]

probably serves em right for going over there, taking local peoples jobs, all living in the same area and refusing to integrate with the rest of the population, being an added burden to local heathcare services... pff. the english!

Yeah, never mind the fact that the council blew out 20 million £ for that, which are going have to be cut from somewhere.

[nfe]

nfe

Unfortunately most people's experience of travellers is not that of law-abiding folks, who just want to be left alone to have a quiet life. Hence the lack of sympathy to their situation.

As earlier, I'd attest that the vast majority of people's experience with travellers is actually positive -they just don't know they're dealing with travellers and so it's the ones living up to the stereotype that they notice.

would also come back to the question of ethnicity - if these travellers are IRISH travellers, as you suggest, why are they not travelling in IRELAND? If that is their cultural heritage, what makes Ireland so much less attractive than Britain? I just can't reconcile the dichotomy of wanting to retain their Irish cultural roots and heritage but not actually wanting to live in Ireland.

Should all English people live in England? Should all Muslims live in Muslim majority nations?

[mikeluke]

Nope but if you live anywhere then you have to abide by the laws of the country in which you live....

[nfe]

Absolutely. That's not at all what your statement says though. And the majority do. Getting back to tarring a whole community for the misdemeanors of a minority of arseholes again...

[Afghan Dave]

Good God man... Can't you see that most people who's opinion is worth caring about generally don't give a shiteee about divisive ideas based on culture or race?

That's a massive leap forward!

Something that should be embraced.

The ones who seem hell bent to shout about it and care most about their status as "outsiders" are the self selecting "minorities" because it has become highly beneficial.

The also goes for the people who seek to justify their actions.

"We're SO different"

THEIR actions cost the taxpayer 20+ million because they want to be "special" & that goes double for the professional activists who are as egocentric as any banker or politician they despise.

They define themselves via opposition or group differentiation.

How about being an "individual"!

What part of equality don't you understand?