Being annoyed is fine, and if people think it's that much better in the private sector why don't they come and work here instead? They have the choice.
I never said they had it better in the private sector. I said it was a judgement call, i.e. weighing up the better pay in teh private sector, but not so good job security and pensions versus the opposite in teh public.
my point is when people had made a decision based on what was offered in their contracts etc., and then the goalposts changed, that's not fair. Especially when people have maybe been working in the public sector for most of their careers- they can't get the last 20 years back to change jobs.
By teh way, you realise that your exact argument could be used for all you guys in teh private sector complaining about the public sector, right? ;)
Some Facts.
NI/Pension payments from the Public Sector fall into the same "POT" as General Taxation.
As such it is NOT comparable to Equity based investments for private pensions.
In essence look at it as "Deferred Pay" or at worst an investment in future "UK plc"
As a percentage of GDP - the projections for "reformed" public sector pensions ARE REDUCING!
IT IS AFFORDABLE.
That is the truth...
Now my oppinion....
Everyone has been f**ked over and it is a pity that "public Vs private" debate is being used to distract and obscure the issue.
Unions and the right to withdraw labour are vital tools for the worker and the reluctance to exercise this right to organisation and action has resulted in almost Victorian levels of worker exploitation in the private sector.
If the workers in the private sector were a little more fraternal and organised WE TOO would enjoy better safeguards!
I will recap from earlier. A contract is a contract and as such the workers should be paid.
Don't hate those who are fighting for what is their right.
i don't always agree with you, but that was an awesome post. Agreed 100%. :drink:
No it doesn't. They are open to reform, they have already reformed what we are talking about once and now they are being told to do it again. The ISF says the government doesn't HAVE to do it, it has a choice. The projections Afghan is talking about are reducing with only some of the current goverment reforms taken into account. It isn't a projection of everything the government wants to do as far as I know.
People should be able to fight for what they have. I might be in a worse position than some that work in the public sector, but why should I tell them to just give up what they have because I don't have it myself?
+1, instead of saying, "I don't have that, I'm gonna make damn sure no-one else does", maybe say, "If I support them maybe they'll support me when i try to get better treatment".
Also, I'd say that these private sector complaints sound awfully like teh politics of envy, which is an accusation the right throws at the left all the time.
