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« Reply #45 on: December 20, 2006, 05:30:53 PM »
^ yeah, that's what I don't like. At the risk of sounding like a daily mail reader (;)) it does seem like a lot of the laws are enforced against decent people, as the powers that be know that they'll pay the fine, or whatever. More difficult people, they tend not to bother with, as it's more bother than it's worth. Introducing targets for the cops doesn't help with this either.

as I always say, the laws are there in the hope that 85-90% of the population will go by them, whether they're enforced or not. Whereas if the laws weren't there, no-one would go by them.

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« Reply #46 on: December 20, 2006, 05:55:24 PM »
At least in the UK they get their picture and full name in the paper.

Overhere only the victim's name and picture are fully revealed.
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« Reply #47 on: December 20, 2006, 10:09:33 PM »
^ i think it's a bit daft the way they're allowed to release the name here before they've been found guilty, though.

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« Reply #48 on: December 21, 2006, 12:53:57 AM »
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Well the answer is  that we do not have capital punishment and have not done so since it was abolished in or around 1964. Law and order is a touchy subject here hence Jonathan's tounge in cheek answer which does, nevertheless, represent the views of a large proportion of the population.


ahh. i thought his sarcasm was in reference to me, not the legal system. Sarcasm is a tricky thing over the internet you know.

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« Reply #49 on: December 21, 2006, 12:32:11 PM »
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Well the answer is  that we do not have capital punishment and have not done so since it was abolished in or around 1964. Law and order is a touchy subject here hence Jonathan's tounge in cheek answer which does, nevertheless, represent the views of a large proportion of the population.


ahh. i thought his sarcasm was in reference to me, not the legal system. Sarcasm is a tricky thing over the internet you know.


Certainly not directing any sarcasm towards yourself....

Just fed up with the legal system in this country where the bad guys have more rights than the innocent victims of crime.

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« Reply #50 on: December 21, 2006, 12:43:02 PM »
Older the wiser Jonathan  :lol:

Even when the criminal is 'punished', the punishment is too lenient and too soft.

Example,

A complete dick head at my previous school 'happy slapped' a guy round the head at a train station about a year ago. He broke the guys jaw and knocked him over the side of the steps leading to the bridge. The guy then hit his head on the rail tracks as he hit the floor which would of given him brain damage or even have killed him. Then a high speed train went straight over him and killed him instantly.

The prat who done it only got a three year sentence for manslaughter, but it looks like he may even be out sooner than that.

I knew him before this happened and I've come close to kicking ten tonnes of shite out of him myself, after he kept harrasing my ex-girlfriends little sister and he had picked on my brother.

That's just one example of the disgusting things that have happened in this town alone.

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« Reply #51 on: December 21, 2006, 05:45:46 PM »
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Older the wiser Jonathan  :lol:

Even when the criminal is 'punished', the punishment is too lenient and too soft.

Example,

A complete dick head at my previous school 'happy slapped' a guy round the head at a train station about a year ago. He broke the guys jaw and knocked him over the side of the steps leading to the bridge. The guy then hit his head on the rail tracks as he hit the floor which would of given him brain damage or even have killed him. Then a high speed train went straight over him and killed him instantly.

The prat who done it only got a three year sentence for manslaughter, but it looks like he may even be out sooner than that.

I knew him before this happened and I've come close to kicking ten tonnes of shitee out of him myself, after he kept harrasing my ex-girlfriends little sister and he had picked on my brother.

That's just one example of the disgusting things that have happened in this town alone.


that's terrible.

they just let terrorists out over here, it's awesome.

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« Reply #52 on: December 21, 2006, 05:49:48 PM »
You lot are all sounding like true Daily Mail readers.

My take is the criminal justice system is getting ridiculous - a 11 year had a police reprimand (on his permanent record) for defending his brother in a playground fight, a man got an ASBO for serially complaining at his Tesco store and TB's goverment has legislated in over 1000 new crimes.  Further, the criminal justice system, in the name of the 'victim's rights' has got rid of safeguards that protected people from judicial abuse for hundreds of years.

Yet no one remembers that the police set up Colin Stagg, the Birmingham 6, the Guildford 4, the Tottenham 3, the first people tried for Damiola Taylor's murder and shot dead Jean Charles de Menezes.  

Further no one seems to feel safer - if anything they feel more insecure.  

I do agree that there is a problem with sentencing - convicted criminals of multiple crimes tend to serve there sentences concurrent (i.e. each at the same time) rather than consecutively (i.e. one after another) - so there is no real incentive for crims to stop as they just serve a sentence that is approximately the same no matter what.

As to the Suffolk Strangler - we know pretty much everything about these suspects - where they live, where they work, who they are - if they are innocent they are going to suffer just because the police arrested them for questioning.  I think that innocence until proven guilty is a fine concept and that the media should respect it with privacy.
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« Reply #53 on: December 21, 2006, 08:16:05 PM »
I do actually agree with you Elliot

My gripe is really with teenagers who believe that they are untouchable
And sadly they may be right......

I was injured earlier this month whilst travelling by bus because a kid threw a weighted traffic cone through the bus window causing it to shatter and shower me with glass -

why ???

Because the driver told him that his pass had expired and made him pay a fare.

I recieved cuts to my hands etc but wjhat recourse did I have?
none!
And if i jumped off the bus and gave the teenager a thump - I would be in the wrong - and probably get arrested

 or more likely get stabbed by his mates who were with him

If I detained him and called the police - Nothing! - although I could get charged  by the police and then sued by the teenager for infringing his rights.

And then the teenagers could track ME down and make my life hell - whilst the law would do sweet FA about them....

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« Reply #54 on: December 21, 2006, 10:45:26 PM »
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As to the Suffolk Strangler - we know pretty much everything about these suspects - where they live, where they work, who they are - if they are innocent they are going to suffer just because the police arrested them for questioning.  I think that innocence until proven guilty is a fine concept and that the media should respect it with privacy.

The crazy thing about this is that the press are telling us so much about the suspects that it might actually prejudice the case - it'll be considered impossible for the jury to be unbiased and the judge could throw the case out of court.  :roll:

Some interesting points on this thread.  Personally I think far too much time is spent going on about "cushy prison sentences" and "rights of criminals vs. rights of victims".  What happened to "tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"?  They're blowing so much hot air about the former it hides the fact they're doing absolutely nothing about the latter.  If more effort was put into crime prevention there'd be fewer victims to worry about.  And I'm not talking about police-state horseshite like ID cards and holding suspects for 90 days without charge.

Look at the two examples above of crimes committed by schoolkids - if they're behaving like that at 15 it's too late for them.  Lock them up as long as you like, they'll still be $%&#ign ((c) JP) psychos when they get out.  And arguments about deterrents are irrelevant.  No-one thinks they're going to be caught.

At the risk of sounding totally Daily Mail, I blame the parents.  There are countless thousands of people who apparently think they have no duty whatsoever to bring their kids up responsibly.  These kids are truly scary because they not only have no manners, no sense of right and wrong, but no sense of proportion - a petty argument isn't settled by a scuffle, it ends in someone getting stabbed or kicked to death.  Of course there were people like that in every generation, but it's a minority that's getting bigger all the time and I really fear the rest of us aren't tough enough to cope with it.

Ironic that these little $%&#ers always talk about "disrespeck" when they have no respect for anyone or anything.

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« Reply #55 on: December 21, 2006, 11:08:55 PM »
:D The reason there not tough on the cause of crime is it`ll cost a fortune as the rich & privaliged will have to start paying there way & giving up some of there wealth. The rich pay the bills of the political partys so............

YOU DONT BITE THE HAND THAT FEEDS YOU.

Ian Duncan Smiths report into the social collapse & state of Britain is the most important work under taken in the last 40 years. I`m no Conservative by any strech of the imagination but Smith deserves an awfull lot of credit for the outstanding work he has done. His findings are totally acurate & unbiased. Allthough the reporting of his findings have been anything but unbiased. The conclusion makes bleak reading, but its clear that even the Labour party now accepts its been a complete failure as a govenment.

Its also the biggest reason that the majority of us dont vote & hold politicians in such contempt.

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« Reply #56 on: December 21, 2006, 11:44:08 PM »
There is a lot here about Daily Mail readers which I find  to be a rather facile thing to say(sorry guys).For non UK readers, the  Daily Mail is considered a right wing extremist newspaper and certainly it is a traditional Conservative supporting paper but  I think this  trivialises things.I do not think there is a "right wing" or , for that matter "left wing" thing going on anymore because there is a kind of vacuum where the main parties will adopt any philosophy that they think will get them elected givebn that there is a disillusioned electorate sleepwalking into dictatorship. The Daily Mirror is traditionally Labour supporting newspaper but no-one seems to slag it off.-it is, therefore, seemingly perfectly OK to be left wing. A minor point I would like to make is that a "right wing" fanatic was responsible for a great deal of persecution and murder in the 20th century. His efforts, however ( and if I have to spell it out, I am talking of Hitler) are dwarfed by a "left wing" butcher (Stalin). So maybe we should lose the labels eh ? We have all drifted from topic a tad ( me included).I would just hope that the murders stop and whoever is responsible is brought to "justice" whatever that is.
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« Reply #57 on: December 22, 2006, 12:04:50 AM »
Point taken, 38th, but I don't think we're really talking "right wing" and "left wing".  What the Daily Mail does epitomise is a sort of "not in my back yard", "string 'em up", "bring back the birch" quick-fix mentality, and that's always been the case, whatever the right-or-left political climate.  And yes, the same could be said of other papers like the Sun and the Daily Express (a "newspaper" which somehow manages to make the death of Princess Diana the front-page story at least once every week).  Does the paper's editorial stance accurately reflect the views of its readers?  Perhaps not.

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Its also the biggest reason that the majority of us dont vote & hold politicians in such contempt.

I know what you mean.  I always vote, because I think it's important that we exercise our democratic right to do so (and doesn't that sound like a well-worn load of old cobblers... ).

But more and more I wonder what's the point, it really seems to make no difference who's in power :( .  We're becoming ever more like the USA - the top 10% controls 85% of the wealth, and no government is brave enough to upset them.

Tony Blair doesn't need to care about an NHS creaking at the seams, an education system focused on artificial performance tables, the pensions crisis, people having to work until they drop, the ever-widening gap between rich and poor, the collapsing transport system, neighbourhoods torn apart by crime, religious and ethnic tensions.  He'll spend the rest of his life making millions from books and lectures, flying round the world in Rupert Murdoch's private jet.  He'll be long gone before global warning destroys the planet.  But does he have to make it so obvious he doesn't give a toss?

Sorry, I know that's still off topic but this isn't "Just A Minute".
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« Reply #58 on: December 22, 2006, 12:15:40 AM »
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There is a lot here about Daily Mail readers which I find  to be a rather facile thing to say(sorry guys).For non UK readers, the  Daily Mail is considered a right wing extremist newspaper and certainly it is a traditional Conservative supporting paper but  I think this  trivialises things.I do not think there is a "right wing" or , for that matter "left wing" thing going on anymore because there is a kind of vacuum where the main parties will adopt any philosophy that they think will get them elected givebn that there is a disillusioned electorate sleepwalking into dictatorship. The Daily Mirror is traditionally Labour supporting newspaper but no-one seems to slag it off.-it is, therefore, seemingly perfectly OK to be left wing. A minor point I would like to make is that a "right wing" fanatic was responsible for a great deal of persecution and murder in the 20th century. His efforts, however ( and if I have to spell it out, I am talking of Hitler) are dwarfed by a "left wing" butcher (Stalin). So maybe we should lose the labels eh ? We have all drifted from topic a tad ( me included).I would just hope that the murders stop and whoever is responsible is brought to "justice" whatever that is.


+1

Lets hope the police have the right man behind bars and that the media dont jeopardise the case either.

I think much of our joint comments here highlight that we all feel contempt for those that behave badly and that society seems to be helpless and that the way the police service measures it targets and achievements/success does little or nothing to protect society at large.

There does also seem to be a political vacuum where there should be determined politicians eager to see things put right - and a sense of apathy towards the political process as a result.

For the record my own politics are slightly rightr of centre liberal.
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« Reply #59 on: December 22, 2006, 12:03:29 PM »
hate to poop the party, but back on topic, the police have charged a man with the murders
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/suffolk/6202691.stm
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