Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: Copperhead on June 04, 2009, 12:15:46 AM
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Guess it's official now: :D
(http://i472.photobucket.com/albums/rr88/kranktech/WiltonwithKrankrig-1.jpg)
Whip's using a Krank Rev+ and the new Nineteen Eighty, recorded American Soldier leads with the Rev+, this is his touring rig.
Phoenix, AZ
Dodge Theater 5/30/2009
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Who is Whip? :?
Looks good all these amp and cab :D
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I believe that is Michael Wilton from Queensryche
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Cool, didn't understand why keeping this under YOUR hat, are you roadie of him?
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Cool, didn't understand why keeping this under YOUR hat, are you roadie of him?
Yeah... I'm confused. Never heard of the guy.
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Cool, didn't understand why keeping this under YOUR hat, are you roadie of him?
Yeah... I'm confused. Never heard of the guy.
Heard of Wilton, but confused by the hat thing.
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Haha
"Keeping this under my hat" is an Americanism the means keeping a secret. I've been friends with some of the Krank guys before there even was a Krank Amplification. So sometimes I hear some of the things that are going on, usually prefaced by "Don't say anything but we're........"
Obviously Michael had obligations to other companies when he found Krank amps, so everything had to be kept private until the previous endorsement could be worked out in a professional and appropriate manner.
I've always liked Queensryche and I thought it was pretty cool that Michael really likes the amps, to the point of either switching his endorsements, or he is endorsing more than one brand, I'm not sure.
Personally, I can't wait to try the new 1980. Last time I was at Krank they didn't have any available to try in their studio, but I'm sure full production will be starting soon if it hasn't already.
I play a Revolution Series One that has had a couple mods done at Krank.
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Haha
"Keeping this under my hat" is an Americanism the means keeping a secret. I've been friends with some of the Krank guys before there even was a Krank Amplification. So sometimes I hear some of the things that are going on, usually prefaced by "Don't say anything but we're........"
Obviously Michael had obligations to other companies when he found Krank amps, so everything had to be kept private until the previous endorsement could be worked out in a professional and appropriate manner.
I've always liked Queensryche and I thought it was pretty cool that Michael really likes the amps, to the point of either switching his endorsements, or he is endorsing more than one brand, I'm not sure.
Personally, I can't wait to try the new 1980. Last time I was at Krank they didn't have any available to try in their studio, but I'm sure full production will be starting soon if it hasn't already.
I play a Revolution Series One that has had a couple mods done at Krank.
Just for clairty, 'keeping it under my hat' isn't an Americanism at all! In fact, it's an old saying that quite possible predates the Western occupation of Native Indian land in north America.
We just weren't clear on what your relationship was with the guitarist and/or Krank, hence the confusion! :)
Looks like a lovely rig, though. :)
Roo
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Cool! I hate these "money suckers endorseers" (ZW???), if he changed because he likes the amp that's awesome!
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krank started endorsing a bunch of bands i know of in the uk, then all those bands sold off all their amps for some reason. i could of picked up a krankenstein for a few hundred pounds a while ago. listened to them live and dont think they deserve the hype they have. its mainly the krankenstein ive heard. i thought it had a fair bit of noise to it and it didnt really have anything i found interesting about it. ive heard from friends of mine that have played them, they reckon those heads are cool on their own, but as soon as you stick them with a band, they dont cut through at all. maybe thats why people got rid of theirs after a few months.
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LOL!
Nothing like second hand sh!t-talk..... :D
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krank started endorsing a bunch of bands i know of in the uk, then all those bands sold off all their amps for some reason.
Yeah I'm mates with/know a few of the extreme metal bands that ended up with Krank endorsements. All of them slate them now but I've never heard one live since they'd all got rid of them pretty quick.
They get awesome reviews in mags but seem to get slaughtered on forums and in person most of the time.
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well, its not sh't talk, im just saying a bunch of people used to have krank amps and bunch of bands got endorsed here and now they aint and they sold their amps, and i heard i krankenstein and wasnt impressed.
thats from me, it aint second hand.
the second hand bit was just the opinion that kranks dont cut through a mix so well.
not saying they all suck cos ive never had a go on one just heard a bunch of other people play the same one.
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krank started endorsing a bunch of bands i know of in the uk, then all those bands sold off all their amps for some reason.
Yeah I'm mates with/know a few of the extreme metal bands that ended up with Krank endorsements. All of them slate them now but I've never heard one live since they'd all got rid of them pretty quick.
They get awesome reviews in mags but seem to get slaughtered on forums and in person most of the time.
i have a feeling we might be talking about the same bands
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Ummm…Ok, kiddies…. Reality check for you Fantasy Island inhabitants…
krank started endorsing a bunch of bands i know
“The basic requirements for endorsement deals are that the band/artist is either signed to a legitimate label with major distribution or is a regional unsigned artist that plays a minimum of 150 shows per year and is very active promoting themselves in their region”
Krank doesn’t go about handing out amps like candy. Endorsement deals consist of “artist pricing”. Everyone buys their amps, I know of no one who has gotten free amps. They are a small company and are completely buried in orders.
a bunch of bands i know of in the uk
Define “bunch”. Do you mean, like, two?
Names?
all those bands sold off all their amps
“ALL” ?? ALL?? Really? So, like three ‘stein heads?
listened to them live …….. the krankenstein ive heard
So you heard a Krankenstein once. What were the settings like? I have to tell you, it’s not my personal favorite, but it can be set to sound very close to a Rev.
So what do you think of the Rev+? Chadwick? SST? RevJR50?
Surely out of those hundreds of free heads that Krank has been tossing about to all your friends, they were not all Krankensteins were they? Hmm?
i thought it had a fair bit of noise to it
Now this is really interesting to me because my own experience, as well as a few other artists that I’ve talked to. We find it no longer necessary to run a noise gate because of the extreme quietness of our Krank heads. I’m really curious to what was in the loop, his setup, etc. because this is the first time I’ve heard a comment about noise. My Rev is the most noiseless head I’ve ever used.
but as soon as you stick them with a band, they dont cut through at all
Again, this is very bizarre to me because this statement is completely opposite from what I’ve been hearing from sound engineers, recording engineers, and just about anybody else I trust for feedback on how the performance was, regarding my own rig. The last couple of years with my Rev have been awesome, definitely many people who have heard my “before” and “after” have had nothing but positive comments on how clear everything is and how they can hear notes and chords and riffs that were lost in the mix. Weird.
They get awesome reviews in mags but seem to get slaughtered on forums….
Wow. Strange that over half of the guys on the Krank forum are from the UK and Europe, and they just rave over their Krank amps and support. Lots of guys on Rig-Talk , TGP have had really positive experiences as well. Surely you don’t mean the tweeners on Harmony Central?? HAhahahaha LOLOLLOL!!!1!!
Look at me! I’m going to buy an amp based on what somebody said on HC!!
…and in person most of the time.
Well. The real issue is, your slander is absolutely false and has nothing to do with Krank amps.
It is me. You so despise me that you are determined to come into any thread I post and give me cr@p. It’s a shame really, because the Krank crew is a great bunch of guys, the best customer service ever.
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Hey, they're good enough for Dethklock :lol:
LOL!
Nothing like second hand sh!t-talk..... :D
Ummm…Ok, kiddies…. Reality check for you Fantasy Island inhabitants…
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One of the bands opening for Coheed last week had 2 guitarists playing Krank heads. I have no idea what they were, but they looked slightly 'undersized', like the old Rivera heads.
They were a terrible band and it definitely didn't put a good taste in my mouth re: Krank amps.
Lesson: Unless you play thru one yourself for a real evaluation (we all have different criteria for this), it's a lot of judging-a-book-by-it's-cover'ing.
Personally, I wouldn't want one based purely on the name. PDT_008
But I've never played one with one of my guitars.
Re: Wilton. He barely plays leads so it's hard to tell based off of the new 'ryche album. I look forward to hearing what it will sound like live, tho, with a GOOD PLAYER thru a GOOD PA. :) (ie, Wilton)
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I actually quite like Krank heads! Tried a few out when i was trying out new high gain heads when i went to Sounds Great.
Also, one of my favourite bands, Strung Out use them live and in the studio, and they sound fantastic :D
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Not tried Krank's myself, but Andy Sneap used them Nevermore's This Godless Endeavour (two tracks of Krank and two tracks of Mesa per song apparently) album he produced, and the guitars on that record sound awesome.
If they're good enough for both Sneap and Loomis I think they must be doing something right... ;)
I love Queensryche.
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Right.
once again. I'm not sh*t talking. I'm expressing opinion which is my own, and what was given to me by one musician friend. If i was saying Kranks are awesome you wouldn't care.
I know the endorsement deal involves artist pricing. I remember asking what people weere paying for those amps and it was still like getting a new high end amp because of the import duty added to the cost. At the time people where buying them they didnt have such good distro in the UK. I hadn't seen any in stores id been in. So i dunno where these dudes where trying them before buying them with artist pricing. Maybe they were just getting them direct from Krank.
When i say a bunch i mean maybe 3 or 4 (defo not more than 10! haha) I know the requirements to be endorsed but the website where you have that quote from has changed a lot since all this was going on. I actually remember at the time thinking "they are giving out deals like candy!" because although the bands they gave amps to did/do tour a lot, they weren't all the best bands. point is, they played a lot of shows. so to get the amp's out there this was a good move on Krank's part. got people raving about how they had endorsement deals, and other people went hunting for their own from Krank and other companies.
yo. the Krankenstein i heard was being shared by about 6 bands at an all dayer. nobody made it sound awesome. no more awesome than any other amp anybody used is all im saying.
I don't remember which heads everyone had exactly, and non of the people using them are my friends.
what i said about them 'cutting through' just came from my friend when we had a discussion about Kranks. Again someones opinion, take it or leave it.
I haven't said anything bad about anyone at Krank, or about their support. so chill out on that one.
Dude, i dont know you, i don't hate you. I dont know why you are getting so annoyed by what im saying. I dont know NFE either and he's said the same thing about one of my points. Like i said, i assume me and NFE are talking about the same bands.
Its fact that some bands here were getting endorsement deals, and then they sold their amps. The rest is opinion, my opinion and 1 close friend of mine's opinion. If you want to kick your toys out the pram about what i've said then thats fine by me, but i don't see how its worth it. you want to defend your friends company i guess.
Yo, at least i didnt say "Krank posted up a bunch of fake reviews of their own amps on harmony central" hahaha.
now i AM just trying to wind you up. haha. i dont care about that and i read some dude got fired for unethical buisness practice. thats old news though. only just read about it mind!
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Handbags at the ready ladies?
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Handbags at the ready ladies?
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TOTAL BABES!
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Ummm…Ok, kiddies…. Reality check for you Fantasy Island inhabitants…
blah de blah
Well. The real issue is, your slander is absolutely false and has nothing to do with Krank amps.
It is me. You so despise me that you are determined to come into any thread I post and give me cr@p. It’s a shame really, because the Krank crew is a great bunch of guys, the best customer service ever.
Oh sweet irony, I do adore thee!
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nfe, do you live on the same fantasy island as me?
we should head to a fantasy bar with some other kiddies and cry about being told off
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Jesus, ppl -- can we try to have an intelligent covo here without all the bullsh!t posturing?! (I'm not asking, btw)
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De plane boss, de plane!
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Firstly, Copperhead - stop throwing your dolly out the pram if TWO people on a small internet forum DON'T like your friends amp company. It's just plain childish. I can understand that you'd be offended but by trying to say that they hate you and have been slanderous is complete BS IMHO. Stop being a big girl and MAN UP!
Secondly, while I have never tried a Krank from reading their product guides etc I wouldn't even consider trying one, sounds like they go for the American High Gain sound (I'm a fan of British 'oh-my-jebus-c--king-christ-my-amp-might-blow-up!' sound).
Paddy x
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Not tried Krank's myself, but Andy Sneap used them Nevermore's This Godless Endeavour (two tracks of Krank and two tracks of Mesa per song apparently) album he produced, and the guitars on that record sound awesome.
If they're good enough for both Sneap and Loomis I think they must be doing something right... ;)
I love Queensryche.
I was waiting for an Andy Sneap related post!!!
when I first found the Sneap forum by accident I remember seeing some posts of people saying they couldn't get the sound they wanted out of a Krank and that Andy did magic on them or something along those lines, the Mesa's won't have stock tubes, if I remember correctly Andy could never dial in a tone he liked with Mesa's stock tubes
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i could never dial a tone i was 100% happy with using my dual rec, till i changed all the preamp tubes and the power tubes. I use JJ gold pin 12AX7's in V1 and the PI and standard JJ 12AX7's in the rest. I also use JJ EL34's in it.
I tried 6L6, 6V6 and KT88. EL34 where my faves, with 6V6 second.
kinda of off topic but i just thought id add that.
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i could never dial a tone i was 100% happy with using my dual rec, till i changed all the preamp tubes and the power tubes. I use JJ gold pin 12AX7's in V1 and the PI and standard JJ 12AX7's in the rest. I also use JJ EL34's in it.
I tried 6L6, 6V6 and KT88. EL34 where my faves, with 6V6 second.
kinda of off topic but i just thought id add that.
I did the same thing with my Dual Rec! Basically, it's like a Marshall now ... :)
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i could never dial a tone i was 100% happy with using my dual rec, till i changed all the preamp tubes and the power tubes. I use JJ gold pin 12AX7's in V1 and the PI and standard JJ 12AX7's in the rest. I also use JJ EL34's in it.
I tried 6L6, 6V6 and KT88. EL34 where my faves, with 6V6 second.
kinda of off topic but i just thought id add that.
I did the same thing with my Dual Rec! Basically, it's like a Marshall now ... :)
exactly!
haha.
i also replaced the presence control on the orange channel with another presence pot. its a 'mod' mentioned in the manual and i got the pot for free from the UK distributor!!!!
makes the orange channel a bit brighter and closer to the red channel. but its not like having 2 red channels.
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i could never dial a tone i was 100% happy with using my dual rec, till i changed all the preamp tubes and the power tubes. I use JJ gold pin 12AX7's in V1 and the PI and standard JJ 12AX7's in the rest. I also use JJ EL34's in it.
I tried 6L6, 6V6 and KT88. EL34 where my faves, with 6V6 second.
kinda of off topic but i just thought id add that.
I did the same thing with my Dual Rec! Basically, it's like a Marshall now ... :)
Perhaps I should have done the same thing, but I gave up and sold it in a huff.
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what didnt you like about it?
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The Dual Rec is my 'under work desk' amp. :)
I use the Splawn or Laney at home/gigs ...
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Saggy, blubbery low end and I just couldn't get it as snarly and aggressive as I'd have liked.
To be fair, I bought as a much younger guy who didn't really know exactly what he was looking for but had the money to buy a pro amp. If I'd taken less advice and listened more I'd have never bought it.
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The Dual Rec is my 'under work desk' amp. :)
I use the Splawn or Laney at home/gigs ...
what splawn do you use?
as for the dual rec. the preamp tube changes made a big difference. takes out some of the over the top grind from the red channel, smooths it up a bit. the EL34's bring a bit of that 'british' tone back. i found it gave me the right balance of low end i was looking for.
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I use a Quick Rod, Mk 2 (The two preamp slot version). And the way I've been using it of late is considered heresy by the Splawn forumites.
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someone here is selling one.
ive never heard of the MK2 quick rod to be honest. when you say slots? how does it differ?
i looked at getting a splawn when my soldano bit the dust, but then i stuck with soldano and im glad i did.
but..... GAS
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There is no actual "Mk 2". It's not the original preamp circuit, nor is it the new version which has 3 preamp valves.
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I've thought a lot about a Splawn too, a Quick Rod competition. For practicing and recording as much as anything, plus as a British sounding, cleaner sideman to my 6505+.
One day.
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i was just reading something that says it has no gear knob or something. the whole thing with splawns and gears took me a bit to get my head around. I wont ever buy one from splawn because it has to come through sounds great.
http://www.gumtree.com/london/10/39155310.html
this is it.
dunno if it would fit my purpose though
super comp looks interesting. single channel nitro. ive never been in the presence of a splawn though.
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The Competition is DEFINITELY a try before you buy amp! It's much brighter than a Nitro, Pro Stock, Quick Rod, etc.
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The Competition is DEFINITELY a try before you buy amp! It's much brighter than a Nitro, Pro Stock, Quick Rod, etc.
Oh really? I thought it was just a Quick Rod front end with half the power amp valves.
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The Competition is DEFINITELY a try before you buy amp! It's much brighter than a Nitro, Pro Stock, Quick Rod, etc.
Oh really? I thought it was just a Quick Rod front end with half the power amp valves.
It is, on paper, just supposed to be the OD channel of the QR. But it definitely sounds different.
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reckon its worth trying that 'MK2'?
how does it compare to the dual rec?
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it's a lot of judging-a-book-by-it's-cover'ing.
i see people doing this every time i go in a book shop. they keep picking them up, looking at the front, then the back. some they put back, some they buy... very few seem to actually read the book before buying :? oh well, I suppose judging a book by its cover is probably better than those adverts for crime novels they put on TV occasionally as if it was a film
i must admit i thought krank were a budget brand aimed at teenagers. Thats just what the aesthetics suggested to me.
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The Competition is DEFINITELY a try before you buy amp! It's much brighter than a Nitro, Pro Stock, Quick Rod, etc.
Ah so it IS abnormally bright, and the rest aren't?
James on here had one and it took my damned head off, insanely bright. Put me off Splawn amps completely.
Glad to know their not all like that.
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it's a lot of judging-a-book-by-it's-cover'ing.
i see people doing this every time i go in a book shop. they keep picking them up, looking at the front, then the back. some they put back, some they buy... very few seem to actually read the book before buying :? oh well, I suppose judging a book by its cover is probably better than those adverts for crime novels they put on TV occasionally as if it was a film
i must admit i thought krank were a budget brand aimed at teenagers. Thats just what the aesthetics suggested to me.
That made me laugh out loud!
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I want to add to this discussion:
First, I was living in London for a whole year prior to moving to Birmingham and I saw Krank amps there ONCE, despite going to many stores (actually looking for amps to try out) and going to many metal concerts! So frankly put I don't believe people really who claim to know exactly how they sound - they are just too rare in the UK.
Second I actually own a Krank Rev Jr. It is a very nice amp and is pretty much in the same high-gain league like my 5150 (which I also own, btw) or Marshall JVM or Laney. Is it better? Hell no. It is worse? Not either. It just is maybe different, but the EQ range on it is actually really wide and it just adds to #1 - if you actually haven't owned one I would be wary.
And third I hate when people come along with this "my amp is better than your amp"-attitude or the "your amp sucks because only xxxxxx-brand is much better". This is not about penis length. A friend of mine would have shredded the hell out of most people on his guitar, he just could play and sound great.... on a small Marshall tube combo!!!! (A 6100). He didn't need expensive boutique halfstacks, he didn't are much about brand names either (he still plays his Godin mostly and now teaches somewhere in Germany).
It just kind of made me realize, how many guitar players, including me, put just way too much focus on gear. WAY too much!
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It just kind of made me realize, how many guitar players, including me, put just way too much focus on gear. WAY too much!
And now you've added your logs to the bonfire ...
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His logs probably dont burn well unless he is a fireater!
There are so many factors in the chain between guitarist and ear I very much doubt definitive conclusions can be drawn from any demo, patronage etc. You put it in your rig adjust it as you see fit then either loath it, love it or two figs it.
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i've seen the rev jr for sale in london but that is the only one. Actually, ive seen more than that, cant remember the others. there was a shop on denmark street that had a few.
I hope you're not accusing me of being "my amp better than yours", i said nothing of the kind.
I have to agree with WezV about the aesthetics
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Please transport this thread straight to HCAF !!!
Come on guys, this place is usually completely without all the minor back-biting. That's probably why most of us hang out here. If some-one says something you feel is a bit insulting, please just ignore it.
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it's a lot of judging-a-book-by-it's-cover'ing.
i see people doing this every time i go in a book shop. they keep picking them up, looking at the front, then the back. some they put back, some they buy... very few seem to actually read the book before buying :? oh well, I suppose judging a book by its cover is probably better than those adverts for crime novels they put on TV occasionally as if it was a film
i must admit i thought krank were a budget brand aimed at teenagers. Thats just what the aesthetics suggested to me.
That made me laugh out loud!
i am glad i can ammuse someone other than myself occasionaly :)
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i must admit i thought krank were a budget brand aimed at teenagers. Thats just what the aesthetics suggested to me.
:lol: :lol:
They won't like that, I feel a bit guilty for laughing, but I do know what you mean.
it's a lot of judging-a-book-by-it's-cover'ing.
i see people doing this every time i go in a book shop. they keep picking them up, looking at the front, then the back. some they put back, some they buy... very few seem to actually read the book before buying :?
I can't decide if you're being serious or taking the piss out of the phrase "judging a book by its cover". :? :P
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yes philly - taking the piss. the fact i went on to judge kranks because of the way they look was just me being daft
we all do it everyday - stuff has to appeal to our aesthetic sensabilities for us to want it. Or it at least has to fit in with what we think it should look like
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i must admit, regardless of sound im not a big fan of how they look.
kind of like if fisher price made hi gain amplifiers.... joke joke joke
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i must admit, regardless of sound im not a big fan of how they look.
kind of like if fisher price made hi gain amplifiers.... joke joke joke
Well, you're not that far off. Most of us Brits are going to think something similar when we hear the name, let alone actually seeing one.
They're really going to struggle over here, that's for sure.
However, I can see the American market absolutely loving them. And they're priced better over there, too.
I'm afraid they're just far too expensive once they cross the pond, just like Mesa/Boogie's. Except with those, the name, the look, everything says high end to us. The Krank's just don't, if they were about 30% cheaper than what I've seen so far then maybe they'd have a shot.
But hey, cracking the UK market isn't going to bring them much extra cash. The American market is more than enough for most companies. They'll do fine, and I'm sure they're fine amps. Haven't heard any horror stories yet.
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i must admit, regardless of sound im not a big fan of how they look.
kind of like if fisher price made hi gain amplifiers.... joke joke joke
LOLOLL!!!
I said exactly the same thing to them when I got a beta tester of the Rev+ amps a couple years ago! The graphics on my Revolution Series One are OK, and the Chadwick is classy, but you're right, the JR and Plus models DO look like Playskool toys!
"My First Metalhead Hi-Gain Amp"
(http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb76/guitarzan_1/Gear/revjrwallao11.jpg)
(first production run of JR cabs)
Seriously though, they are built as tough as Tonka trucks and the lifetime warranty ensures you will have an excellent amp throughout your formative years! :lol:
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i must admit i thought krank were a budget brand aimed at teenagers. Thats just what the aesthetics suggested to me.
:lol: :lol:
They won't like that, I feel a bit guilty for laughing, but I do know what you mean.
it's a lot of judging-a-book-by-it's-cover'ing.
i see people doing this every time i go in a book shop. they keep picking them up, looking at the front, then the back. some they put back, some they buy... very few seem to actually read the book before buying :?
I can't decide if you're being serious or taking the piss out of the phrase "judging a book by its cover". :? :P
Yes I always go to the library to read the book before I buy it, then when I go in the shop pick it up I know it's a good book and I take it to the till where I leave it on the counter "oops sorry I've read that one"!!!
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There's an old man wandering around soiling his underwear, drooling, walking in circles called .. this thread!
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Sorry in advance for threadnomancy but..
A new interview with Wilton detailing all his recording and touring gear and not a single mention of KRANK -
Funny but he seems to use every other amp apart from KRANK!
Check it out...
...."So anyway, the most expedient way we could get things done when it came to the recording process was, I just set up seven amps and used a JD7 which is made by Radial Engineering, and which allowed me to run the seven amps all at the same time. I had everything from a Marshall Jubilee, a Hughes & Kettner, a Fender Reverb, a Matchless…I had a whole gamut of different sounds along with some Marshall cabs and Hughes & Kettner cabs. And I just miked each one and each situation in the room. So we had seven auxiliaries going into the board. I would be playing in the control room and Kelly Gray, who engineered the album, he’d be sitting there moving the aux levels up and down until we got the sound we wanted for whatever song we were working on.
So you’d blend the different amp tones for each track?
Yeah that is right. Like I’d have the Hughes & Kettner on the super high gain and the Marshalls would be like, on a high mid punch and all that and I would just sculpture my sounds in that way. I had the Fender Twin Reverb and the Matchless for my clean tones. Then I added a little flange and chorus to the mix on the clean stuff and boom, you’ve got the Queensryche sound!"
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/interviews/interviews/queensryche_we_are_just_a_process_that_keeps_evolving.html
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for me personally i think krank amps sound very poor for the money. but thats just one mans opinion.
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I wouldn't admit to playing them either - they sound shite :lol:
Sorry in advance for threadnomancy but..
A new interview with Wilton detailing all his recording and touring gear and not a single mention of KRANK -
Funny but he seems to use every other amp apart from KRANK!
Check it out...
...."So anyway, the most expedient way we could get things done when it came to the recording process was, I just set up seven amps and used a JD7 which is made by Radial Engineering, and which allowed me to run the seven amps all at the same time. I had everything from a Marshall Jubilee, a Hughes & Kettner, a Fender Reverb, a Matchless…I had a whole gamut of different sounds along with some Marshall cabs and Hughes & Kettner cabs. And I just miked each one and each situation in the room. So we had seven auxiliaries going into the board. I would be playing in the control room and Kelly Gray, who engineered the album, he’d be sitting there moving the aux levels up and down until we got the sound we wanted for whatever song we were working on.
So you’d blend the different amp tones for each track?
Yeah that is right. Like I’d have the Hughes & Kettner on the super high gain and the Marshalls would be like, on a high mid punch and all that and I would just sculpture my sounds in that way. I had the Fender Twin Reverb and the Matchless for my clean tones. Then I added a little flange and chorus to the mix on the clean stuff and boom, you’ve got the Queensryche sound!"
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/interviews/interviews/queensryche_we_are_just_a_process_that_keeps_evolving.html
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From the end users ive ever heard from, it's massively weighed in the i dont like krank side... on a few forums i have posed on in the past Krank are seen as a total joke and not even taken seriously in the slightest. If their was no dime sig.. would we even know of them??
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Krank has a too aggressive endorser policy. I seriously think they give people money so they can have them on their endorsement rooster.
I love my little Krank, it is a good amp, but not a great amp. Like a nice girlfriend with a great butt but no tits. You are happy and like to be with her, but do know that there is theoretically something much better out there.
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Like a nice girlfriend with a great butt but no tits. You are happy and like to be with her, but do know that there is theoretically something much better out there.
:lol:
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Like a nice girlfriend with a great butt but no tits. You are happy and like to be with her, but do know that there is theoretically something much better out there.
Ah, this is such a lads' forum sometimes. :lol:
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I love my little Krank, it is a good amp, but not a great amp. Like a nice girlfriend with a great butt but no tits. You are happy and like to be with her, but do know that there is theoretically something much better out there.
thats like the Swiss Tony sketch that never was, legend!!!
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We all like modding guitars... I see no problems with an upgrade or two..
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Like a nice girlfriend with a great butt but no tits. You are happy and like to be with her, but do know that there is theoretically something much better out there.
Ah, this is such a lads' forum sometimes. :lol:
Well, he does have a JR. I demoed a 20watt Rev JR Pro for a month. It was good, but the full size heads are better.
Not everyone needs or wants 120 watts. Not everyone can afford a decent attenuator, either.
I don't like any Kranks below 4 on the master, and they are much better above 5. I think this is where they get a bum rap on the internet from, you will not be happy trying to make a Revolution a bedroom amp.
I'm so glad I played a Krank before I read anything on the internet about them! Had I done much "research" on forums like this, I would have stayed 100 miles away.
I played a bunch of amps in the same room, none of them I preferred over my 5150 until I played the Krank. I bought the Revolution Series One based alone on how it sounded.
It's funny how most guys here say "Buy the amp that sounds the best, regardless of what name is on it"
but in reality this forum is all about gear snobbery.
I love my Krank amps for how well they work in a live mix, period. I always get compliments on my tone after the show from sound crew people and other musicians who were in the audience.
If I was a bedroom player or a studio musician, maybe I would be of a different opinion regarding Krank amps.
But I play live about 150 nights a year. I think that that is what Krank gear is engineered to do, live performance, and that they excel at that task.
Don't know how many folks here would fall into the category of needing an amp for that purpose.
To me internet forums are about 99% false information anyway. "The word on the street", talking with other musicians locally and around the Southwest and Socal, Krank has a great reputation.
It's bizarre to me that they are mostly hated in chat forums yet IRL the exact opposite is true.
(http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb76/guitarzan_1/KranK/IMG_6348-1.jpg)
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It's funny how most guys here say "Buy the amp that sounds the best, regardless of what name is on it"
but in reality this forum is all about gear snobbery.
I don't think thats true. a lot of people here like high end/quality product. (Hence why we use BKP's). Note how i used a slash between 'high end' and 'quality'. I think there are endless discussions here about new products and attention to cost, build and features is always brought up no matter what. I mean, we have Twinfan giving us the dealio on a bunch of pedals he says are awesome for the cost... a line some of us may not know... hey i'll go check that out. Its not like people rock up and go "yo guys, i just found this sweet range of super boutique P to P wired effects and amps that cost £4000 a go, they rock!" of course some people may post stuff like that up, but then you get people saying "get at martin MJW and get him to build you the same thing for half the cost". thats just being savvy with your green. I dont think this forum is full of gear snobbery at all. just a few people who like nice things.
play live about 150 nights a year. I think that that is what Krank gear is engineered to do, live performance, and that they excel at that task.
Don't know how many folks here would fall into the category of needing an amp for that purpose.
As for this comment... I don't know if you meant this as a straight up comment about not knowing the musical background of people here, or if you're trying to be derogatory by suggesting the large percentage of people here don't gig, and don't have a need for a tour ready amp. I think there is not only a few guys here in exactly the position to need such an amp, but I think those guys have gigged long enough, and been through enough gear to have a valid opinion. Once you you start gigging, yo tend to meet the same people and talk gear from time to time, and word gets around, and 'word on the street' can be a powerful thing. I don't think you can say people here don't gig, therefore some peoples comments are not valid about larger wattage Krank amps.
in the UK, in my opinion, you can do better for your money.
I just tried to find a UK listing but I couldnt find anything on the Sounds Great Music website or the Machinehead site, and both are meant to be Krank dealers. I searched for half an hour. they dont even have them on Thomann. I found a price for a Rev1 100watt in euro that was e1990. so thats like £1830. (i might be a bit off the mark with this)
At that price, in the UK youre in the realm of (or more expensive than...) Mesa, Bogner Uberschall's, VHT (fryette), various Splawn's, Rivera K-Tre, some Soldano, Cornford MK50 mII, in fact a few cornfords can be had for less than that. Personally, i don't think that a Rev1 can stand up to some of those amps in terms of build quality from the gut shots ive seen... im totally overlooking tone at this point but thats a serious bunch of amps to compete with.
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OK, I meant it straight up. You guys are 5300 miles away and speak another language. I have no idea who you are.
Revolution Series One has been out of production and discontinued for almost two years, so that's a royal rip-off.
I have played half of the amps you mentioned and would consider the Rev Plus to be a peer to the higher end, and far superior to VHT, Splawn and Mesa quality-wise. Tone is subjective to the individual.
Pricing in the US:
Musicians Friend:
Krank Revolution Plus $1599
Rivera Knucklehead K120 Tre No Reverb $2099
VHT Pitbull UL USED! $2760
Sig X USED! $1880
Soldano Hot Rod 100 $2550
Avenger $1960
SLO 100 $3740
ENGL Powerball $1999
Invader $2999
Guitar Center:
Mesa Dual Rec $1799
Roadster $1999
Wild West Guitars:
Bogner Uberschall $2599
Ecstasy $3369
Shiva $2378
Diezel VH4 $4700
Herbert $4800
Einstein $3600
Rock N Roll Vintage:
Cornford MK50H $2999
MK50 MK11 $3999
RK100 $3699
Splawn:
Nitro $1950
Quick Rod $1850
???
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I have played half of the amps you mentioned and would consider the Rev Plus to be a peer to the higher end, and far superior to VHT, Splawn and Mesa quality-wise.
:lol: :lol: oh man!
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Gut shots.
Revolution Series One:
(http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb76/guitarzan_1/KranK/IMG_5508.jpg)
Chadwick I:
(http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb76/guitarzan_1/KranK/IMG_6346.jpg)
The Rev's a little messy because I've had a couple mods done; gain mod on the clean channel, and OT swap with a Rev Plus.
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I have played half of the amps you mentioned and would consider the Rev Plus to be a peer to the higher end, and far superior to VHT, Splawn and Mesa quality-wise.
:lol: :lol: oh man!
??? Peavey is designed more reliable than Mesa, Sig X's burn regularily, and I dont' think Splawn even belongs in the conversation.
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yo im just saying what i can get in the UK right now, at this second online.
I'm having trouble even finding a price for a Krank in £'s let alone a place thats selling them online.
I converted the price I got in euro's to pounds.
I don't care about a bunch of the amps i mentioned, im just saying what i could get in the UK for that money.
I can get an Uberschall for £1600 for example (guitar guitar). I Cornford MK50 MII is £1810 (dolphin music). Its a bad demonstration because i couldn't find a UK price online, only in Euro, but like i said, If i can't find a UK price and I wanted one right at that second i'd have had to buy from EU.
the gut shots dont impress me.
I hate that horrid goo. you say its their to stop vibrations messing up the amp, but my bro's JMP2204 has never had goo in it, and its been gigged, and its still all original. It wasn't put together using goo. the board on the Uberschall, or Avenger, and yeah, even the peavey 5150 look more robust than that.
Why all the untidy leads trailing everywhere? why the goo over the componants? is a resistor really going to shake loose? why feed a lead between two orange drops and then pinch them together and goo them up? thats going on in two places on that picture? just seems like an untidy way to make connections in an amp. It also looks like there is a cable there in the middle that isn't even attached to anything? and i don't personally like the ribbon cable. The 5150 uses a similar way to connect boards internally but peavey us a heavier gauge wire connected in a similar manner to those ribbon cables, only its not connected using solder, so its not mega annoying to take it out if you need to remove a pcb.
I dont see why it should be messy just because its been modded either. Other than sound, I don't like the Rev because its pretty much a Sovtek mig100 with a few mods here and there (and its not worth the UK price) therefore I don't feel its new or really groundbreaking. I don't like the build quality from the photos ive seen, or the overall aesthetics and i don't like how the sweep control is connected to the plate of the stage prior to the tone stack, meaning when i hold it, my fingers would be only a fraction of a distance away from a few hundred volts. not a concept I like personally.
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Copperhead, follow your own advice - you found an amp that the sound of works for you. Thats all any of us do. Yay. Your Krank Krusade is getting rather tiresome, though. Youre looking more and more like a shill.
I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and say its genuine enthusiasm, but your "defence" of Krank here (which largely consists of putting down almost everything else) is making me want to avoid them.
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in the UK, in my opinion, you can do better for your money.
I just tried to find a UK listing but I couldnt find anything on the Sounds Great Music website or the Machinehead site, and both are meant to be Krank dealers. I searched for half an hour. they dont even have them on Thomann. I found a price for a Rev1 100watt in euro that was e1990. so thats like £1830. (i might be a bit off the mark with this)
At that price, in the UK youre in the realm of (or more expensive than...) Mesa, Bogner Uberschall's, VHT (fryette), various Splawn's, Rivera K-Tre, some Soldano, Cornford MK50 mII, in fact a few cornfords can be had for less than that. Personally, i don't think that a Rev1 can stand up to some of those amps in terms of build quality from the gut shots ive seen... im totally overlooking tone at this point but thats a serious bunch of amps to compete with.
THIS is the biggest problem. I have never even SEEN a Krankenstein or full-size Revolution in England and I have frequented quite a lot of stores in London and Birmingham - the biggest cities in the UK.
I played a Krank Rev Jr ONCE at a store in Denmark Street and ended up getting one fairly cheap by mail-order from a very small store in the UK.
Kranks are simply not on the map in the UK, and if you can get a Marshall JVM410 for less than a 1000£ or a Laney Lionheart for less than 500£ in the UK other companies will have to do a LOT better to convince people to cough up the extra dough. Peavey at least has got a proper name and is brand recognized, their amps have been tested and proven so many times on some many records, you know at least they can't be half-bad.
Plus, there's also ENGL, which are more common in Europe than in the US? :lol: They kinda fit in as well where Krank fits in (metal people), just you also see people like Steve Morse or other "non-hardcore-metal" people use ENGLs.
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... see above
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To me internet forums are about 99% false information anyway.
I'm assuming you're including your own posts in that statement :)
To me it's simple. I have an amp I like and don't really care what anyone else thinks. Sure, I'll say it's great but I wouldn't expect others to automatically agree with me - nor would I argue about someone elses opinion. Roo's love of teles is a great example of this :o
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Gut shots.
Revolution Series One:
(http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb76/guitarzan_1/KranK/IMG_5508.jpg)
Chadwick I:
(http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb76/guitarzan_1/KranK/IMG_6346.jpg)
The Rev's a little messy because I've had a couple mods done; gain mod on the clean channel, and OT swap with a Rev Plus.
Oh c'mon that looks like a mess. Long cables + not twisted and mayonnaise and marmite is in the amp. A couple of others for wiring comparison.
DR103
(http://i15.tinypic.com/2u72kn9.jpg)
SLO
(http://i9.tinypic.com/4cie1hs.jpg)
an amp you consider the Krank 'far superior to'
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o118/bgarcia761234/UL1.jpg)
It's funny how most guys here say "Buy the amp that sounds the best, regardless of what name is on it"
but in reality this forum is all about gear snobbery.
There is some truth in that - but it's in ratio to price, some amps at 600 cream amps at 1500. That kind of snobbery is good.
Also, since when does gigging make you the arbiter of taste. You don't need to gig to enjoy or know good tone. If anything that is the biggest forum myth - that only gigging players are able to enjoy or recognize good gear.
The thing with the 5150 is it is a relatively cheap amp etc... but it sounds amazing and has been/is the staple of so many classic modern metal recordings it's not funny.
I understand you are close to Krank but c'mon have some honesty and perspective!Show me one clip of a Krank sounding good. Or even, just not bad!
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Valves (or tubes to you colonials) at dawn!
A duel to the deaf...
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I never said I was superior to anyone because I gig a lot. The point was, the volume of a live set and the dynamics of a mix in an open room are very much different than a practice room, recording studio or your bedroom.
If offense was taken, you must be reading between the lines where nothing is written.
I tried a SLO, it was good, but not so much better than my 5150 that I would switch.
I gigged with a 5150 from early 1995 to late 2006. I played a Revolution in the summer of 2006 and it completely blew me away.
I have two friends that went out and bought the Sig X. Both have had problems with components burning up on the board, so much so that both sold the heads within one year of owning them. Given these problems and that of the bankruptcy of VHT, I would not touch one with a 10 foot pole. I did not get the opportunity to try either.
There is a repair center near me that does warranty repairs of many different manufacturers of amps and sound gear etc. I have known these guys for about 24 years. I am in there a lot and have sat and chatted with the techs while they were working. Never a shortage of Mesa heads with something blowed up inside of them. The owner of the place told me "Never buy a Mesa unless you plan to buy two."
I have played a Splawn but to me it seemed like just another rehashed Marshall.
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There was no bankruptcy of VHT. They lost the name in court and are now called Fryette - exactly the same company.
Maybe if Krank sold anywhere near as many amps as Mesa and VHT you could draw a comparison between a few bad amps and consistency. You can't even get Krank in the UK (?) which shows the confidence dealers have in them. And it's still heresay - 'my friend said' etc...
You wont have your opinion changed because of your emotional investment you have in Krank - not saying that's bad. TF is the same with Martamp (except they are good). The pics you posted show how little Krank care about their workmanship - it wouldn't even be an issue if they sounded good. But, I've yet to hear a clip of a Krank that sounds good!
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TF is the same with Martamp
Me too!
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TF is the same with Martamp
Me too!
I have moved my v6-20 on but still use the cab :D
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I can see why I don't join in with these amp threads... I reckon my cr@ppy ole POD XTlive through a shoe box would blow off all yer arsie big-boys amps anyway :twisted: :lol:
Seriously though, I was reading this thread with some interest at lunch time (and I'll never get that time back again... :roll:) - as a vaguely impartial observer I think there seems to be good points on all sides.
I'm not sure anyone's actually disagreeing with anyone else, I think it's one of those "misunderstanding" knots you can get caught up with on the internet or in email chains... hate it when then happens to me, so I thought I might try and help you bail out.... I might be wrong, of course, and you all might be complete b@stards, but that's what it sounds like to me...
Love and peace to everyone... this made me laugh though:
.... nor would I argue about someone elses opinion. Roo's love of teles is a great example of this :o
Where is the old Roo-meister? I noticed there's someone registered as Rooo over on tdpri, but I kinda don't think it's him :lol:
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Where is the old Roo-meister? I noticed there's someone registered as Rooo over on tdpri, but I kinda don't think it's him :lol:
Try posting a tele related thread and see what Rooo comes back with!
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Copperhead, follow your own advice - you found an amp that the sound of works for you. Thats all any of us do. Yay. Your Krank Krusade is getting rather tiresome, though. Youre looking more and more like a shill.
I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and say its genuine enthusiasm, but your "defence" of Krank here (which largely consists of putting down almost everything else) is making me want to avoid them.
Wow
I post some news on a new amp and endorser, 90% of you guys show up to bash on me, that's being a shill?
"Largely consists of putting down everything else"? Just recently in this thread I expressed my concerns over VHT and Mesa, show me where else I have put down other amps??
Your cruelty and outright attacks makes me want to avoid using Bare Knuckle pickups in the future.
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.....and I've largely stayed out of this thread after it took a negative turn.
I posted to point out that you were beginning to make comparisons to a Rev JR 20 watt, and to correct the perception that Krank was over-priced. Funny how once the actual US prices on many of the amps in the same category were posted in this thread that no one could man up and make a retraction.
No, that's ignored and you find other lies to propagate.
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When you delete your account, do all the posts disappear? Just wondering.
I didn't see the "UK Only" sign on the door when I came in.
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I posted to correct the perception that Krank was over-priced. Funny how once the actual US prices on many of the amps in the same category were posted in this thread that no one could man up and make a retraction.
that is a fair point for anyone considering buying an amp in the US, but since a lof of us are not over there we can only really go on UK and EU prices. maybe if krank sorted out a decent UK dealership with prices inline with the Uk market you would have a valid point... but at the moment its simply not the case for most of us here
actual US prices mean very little when you dont shop in actual US dollars!
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Copperhead, follow your own advice - you found an amp that the sound of works for you. Thats all any of us do. Yay. Your Krank Krusade is getting rather tiresome, though. Youre looking more and more like a shill.
I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and say its genuine enthusiasm, but your "defence" of Krank here (which largely consists of putting down almost everything else) is making me want to avoid them.
Wow
I post some news on a new amp and endorser, 90% of you guys show up to bash on me, that's being a shill?
"Largely consists of putting down everything else"? Just recently in this thread I expressed my concerns over VHT and Mesa, show me where else I have put down other amps??
Your cruelty and outright attacks makes me want to avoid using Bare Knuckle pickups in the future.
Its not the news. Thats just news. The news, it turns out, was questionable or the endorsment very short lived (which would be consistent with dmoney and nfes experiences earlier in the thread). But thats not the point. The point is youre waving the Krank flag like youre being paid to do it (euphamistically speaking), putting down other amps, recounting your own personal experiences as though they're hard fact, saying that 99% of stuff on forums is rubbish (this is a forum, in case it hasnt escaped your attention, which means with that statement you either said that 99% of us dont know what we're talking about or all of dont know 99% of the time - a brave statement on a forum that has pros from every aspect of the guitar world, including amp builders - which 99% of what MartinW or HTH or JFPamps says is bullshitee? What about Bob Johnson, Feline, Wez, which is their 1% of good information?). Then of course saying that you dont gig you cant evaluate a peice of kit, and generally saying that most people here dont know what they're talking about.
Which begs the question - if you have such a low opinion of us, why are you here?
But thats beside the point. I have no beef with krank, I've never played one, I've heard clips that I didnt like, but we all know how clips are for knowing how an amp plays and sounds in person or on a stage (uninformative to say the least), and couldnt care less one way or the other; your posts in this thread have painted a stark picture of a fanboy, if not employee, whos main means of promotion of his favourite amp is attacking other amps with context-not-considered anecdotes (how many of each amp are in circulation, for example; with mesa its very high even in the UK) and insulting the intelligence and experience of this entire forum.
Perhaps you can see in this post that my previous one was the nicest way that I could think of to suggest that you drop the matter and leave people to make up their own minds about your precious Kranks. (We will anyway).
Cruelty and outright attacks, my arse. You want to re-read some of your posts mate, and see how condescending and insulting youre being here, and how patient those that have chosen to engage you in discussion about kranks/amps in general have been with you.
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When you delete your account, do all the posts disappear? Just wondering.
I didn't see the "UK Only" sign on the door when I came in.
I dont think so, no.
P.S. denim n' leather, our illustrious mod and standup guy (no, I'm not saying that because hes our main mod) is from new york ;)
So no, the only part of this thats US v UK is costs, conversion rates, vat and shipping, and the fact that they all put kranks well over the price of equivelent marshalls, laneys, engls et al and have them knocking on Diezels door cost wise. Our options are accordingly different and krank have a different place in the countries market. Its the same with mesa and peavey. Thats what people have been trying to tell you, and you imply now that its xenophobia.
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Your cruelty and outright attacks makes me want to avoid using Bare Knuckle pickups in the future.
You're going to stop using BKP because you don't like the opinions of people on the forum :? That is a little bit of an odd way of making a decision.
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Your cruelty and outright attacks makes me want to avoid using Bare Knuckle pickups in the future.
You're going to stop using BKP because you don't like the opinions of people on the forum :? That is a little bit of an odd way of making a decision.
Hes reversing what I said earlier - that the way hes gone about plugging kranks, being so close to the company, puts me off kranks. Theres an obvious difference - I'm just a BK customer, not close to the company beyond being a moderately regular customer and a regular here. But its a similar un-logic, in all fairness. I dont mind people promoting things they think are worth it, of course, but going about it in such an aggressive manner and slagging off other things and people (especially a group and some individuals that I like and respect, as here) to do it puts a bad taste in my mouth.
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whos main means of promotion of his favourite amp is attacking other amps
Again, what have I said other than Mesa reliability issues and SigX's catching on fire?
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Okay, everyone have a jab at what they wanted to say? Great!
Have a nice day. Nothing more to see here. PDT_008