Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Pickups => Topic started by: SämO on December 09, 2017, 01:44:41 AM
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Hi everybody !
First post on this Forum !
So...
I love Clapton's Tone on Sunshine of Your Love, The "Woman Tone" born on Disraeli's Gears, Cream's second LP.
Clapton play a '64 SG...
I play a '09 SG...with he the most mismatched set of the World : Gibson 490R // 498T.
I need to upgrade w/BK pickups !
And if possible a calibrated set !
Please, help me !
Nota Bene : I love Damned's Tone too and punk tone...
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VHII set might be a good compromise here in an SG.
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Mules and a tubescreamer in front of the amp for punk.
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Mules and a tubescreamer in front of the amp for punk.
Thanks TeleRocker !
I feel Mules are better in LP's maker than in a SG 's maker.
I'm right ?
ThX !
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VHII set might be a good compromise here in an SG.
Thanks a lot Dave Sloven !
You're my Man :afro:
In fact, I play most "Punk Tone" like "The Damned", "G.B.H." and "Punk Hardcore" like "Bad Brains" and "Body Count" than "Woman Tone".
But I really like the "Woman Tone".
So, the question is essentially one of compromise.
I don't know about the VHII.
In France, NailBomb mounted in a SG is highly recommended for "Punk and Hardcore".
I know that Riff Raff is highly recommended for SG's lutherie but it's maybe too "Vintage" for me.
I would hope that that information is used to reduce the information to the lowest common denominator to find the right set for the right SG !
ThX Everybody and Love from France :wink:
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I have used a Nailbomb in a 2011 SG Standard and while it certainly nailed the mid-period Exploited tone and the Poison Idea tone it couldn't do much else. The guitar was just too aggressive in the mids. I replaced a 490R/498T set like yours and honestly I think I was happier with the 498T. I had it paired with a Cold Sweat neck which in that guitar didn't seem to pair very well with the A-Bomb bridge. I think this is because the A-Bomb's middiness and hairiness was just so pronounced in my SG Standard.
I tried then a Cold Sweat bridge and it was much better, more balanced, with still a lot of power, a much more versatile guitar. The VHII has been used successfully in SGs and from what I can tell of the bridge pickup it is close to being an alnico version of the Cold Sweat, with more mids but not so much as to be overpowering in an SG. The VHII neck has a dark, warm tone which I think will help you get that Clapton thing.
Overall I think it has the best chance of being a good compromise that will do everything you want with aplomb. If you need slightly more push sometimes you could just turn on a tubescreamer as a boost (depending on your amp).
I would probably stick with the stock pots and wiring at first and see how it goes with just the pickup change.
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Thanks a lot for your advices Dave Sloven !
You're a Great Master and your experience is like the Holy Bible for me !
-->I love the Poison Idea's tone on "Kings Of Punk" :)!
Like you, I don't hate the 498T but I really want to updrage my tone.
The 490R is horrible and I really want a great set.
Mostly, I play JTM45, Ampeg GVT and in a new project a Jet City JCA50 which is a cheap Soldano SLO.
Mostly, I play V30.
I love to play straight in amp.
No OD - No Fuzz - No Boost : Just Volume & Tone Knobs !
I never find a Boost that just PUNCH my sound.
No volume up, no coloration, no distorsion, just PUNCH MY LINE :afro:!
If you know a Punch Line Boost, give me this tip !
Somethimes I use a ParaEQ, in front or in FX but I'm never very happy with that.
I just want to punch my line :afro:!
If I had a FX Loop, I use a Flanger for crazy riff and a Slap Back Delay for a bigger sound.
In band, I mostly play Punk or Speed/Hardcore line.
Solo, I love to play any stuff, like "Brown Sound", "Woman Tone", "Jangly Tone".
Honestly, I don't know about Cold Sweat, VHII, Miracle Man or NailBomb.
The only BK pickup I known is The Mule and I'm not a big fan of true vintage tone.
I've always think that calibrated set is better but if you tell me to choose differents pickups, I'm OK !
Again, I would hope that news informations are used to reduce the information to the lowest common denominator to find the Right Set for the Right SG !
ThX Everybody and Love from France
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My setup is similar to yours. I have a Peavey 6534+ (which is based on a Soldano in many ways) and use V30 412 cabs. I rely on the lead channel without much by way of effects before the front of the amp. I do have a lot of effects in my loop at the moment because I play in a doom band and use a lot of reverb and delays, but when I was in a punk band I just had a 10-band EQ in the loop and a noise suppressor and arguably I didn't need those. I do have an EVH Flanger and it has been in my loop but now I am experimenting with it out front for a more subtle effect.
My main guitar in the punk band was an SG Junior with a Stockholm P-90, and I very occasionally used an SG Special with an alnico Warpig set. The Stockholm was able to get a really nasty Discharge vibe.
Personally I tend to think that you might be happiest with a Miracle Man. That's what I currently have in my SG Standard. Alternatively the Cold Sweat or the VHII. In my experience the Nailbomb was a bit much and it wasn't a very good lead pickup. Of the three the Miracle Man bridge might be the best lead pickup. I have a Cold Sweat neck and quite like it but you might also like the VHII or the Emerald. I would contact BKP directly and ask for some advice. Another neck pickup set worth considering is the Ragnarok neck. A Miracle Man / Ragnarok combo might work very nicely in an SG
You should get long legs on the bridge. Check your string spacing. I have a 50mm bridge on most of my Gibsons but it is actually a bit narrow for the bridges I eventually fitted (TonePros Nashville bridges) so when I ordered the MM I got it in 53mm. If you can get the neck pickup with short legs I would do that as it will give you more down travel and you don't need the long legs in the neck position.
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Thanks a lot for your advices Dave Sloven !
You're a Great Man :afro: !
And yeah, similar setup Dude !
The Jet City JCA50 is realy awesome ! And I have several more expensive amps...
The 412 is actualy loaded w/Vet30 (Bottom) & V30 (Top).
I play w/11-53 Thomastik Power Brights and Dunlop Jazz III XL.
Flanger is like a "Signature" for a few riffs...Love this sound !
You think EVH Flanger is the best Flanger on the Market for "Punk/Hardcore Riff" ?
I'm always looking for the Right One !
I love to use EQ, in the loop or front : Love to shape my "Dirty Sound" w/it.
Actually I use an Empress ParaEQ w/Boost.
The Boost is a very interresting option : A "2 in 1" Stompbox.
Usualy, I use a Strymon DIG. But sometimes, I try different Delay...
I have several Delay :) ! I Love it too !
I did not try to a Noise Gate in Loop. Maybe I should ?
What Noise Gte are you currently using ? ISP, Boss, MXR ?
I know that I need a Jr w/Stockholm or SuperMassive.
SG Style or LP Style, I don't know what will be best for my sound.
And Dude, I also love Discharge especially "Hear Nothing, See Nothing, Say Nothing" LP.
To get back to the SG pickups, I'm not a lead guitarist.
I'm a Rythm Man.
I love groovy bass line, I love tight and metallic bass line.
I love loud bass line in a mix.
I have no idea about Miracle Man, Ragnarok, Cold Sweat, VHII or Emerald...
I just know that Bare Knuckle produces great pickups for our syles !
And I just know that I have a good "Player" SG : I'm the third owner and this SG did dozen concerts.
I trust you to help me in this difficult choice of pickups !
Love "Brown Sound", "Woman Tone", and I need a set capable of cutting through the mix.
And play in Punk Band !
Is not easy for a SG !
Again, I would hope that news informations are used to reduce the information to the lowest common denominator to find the Right Set for the Right Sound !
ThX Everybody and Love from France
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I have the ISP Decimator G-String II in the loop, right after an MXR 10-band EQ. It was expensive.
The EVH Flanger is good; it is basically the same as the M-117 but with an EVH switch that gives you EVH's sound straight away. It can do a wide range of sounds, including the 'chorus' type effect on the early Cure records that was actually a M-117.
Any flanger with four knobs is going to be more versatile. Remember that all of the big MXR pedals require 18V, which can be a pain.
On my rhythm sound I really only use an MXR Black Label Chorus (their Analog Chorus is very similar) sometimes (for intros) and an EarthQuaker devices reverb pedal. The delays, pitch-shifter, flanger etc are just there for leads and noise outros. I never used any of that stuff when I was the rhythm guitarist in a two-guitar punk band.
I think the three bridge pickups that are going to work for you are the VHII, Cold Sweat, and Miracle Man. Keep in mind that these are in order of ascending scoopiness and output.
As far as neck pickups are concerned you clearly want one of the darker ones but you also need to keep in mind the balance with the bridge pickup. SGs do tend to like a more powerful bridge pickup but the MM/CS combo in my SG is a bit on the cusp of being unbalanced and I had to bring the neck pickup up close to the strings.
Ultimately if I were you I would decide on which of those three bridge pickups sounds best to you from the clips and then ask BKP (via email) which neck pickup will match best with the bridge pickup and do the tones you want it to do
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Mules and a tubescreamer in front of the amp for punk.
Thanks TeleRocker !
I feel Mules are better in LP's maker than in a SG 's maker.
I'm right ?
ThX !
I have Mules in an all mahogany Saint Blues Mississippi Bluesmaster and they sound glorious. The idea that Mules won't do in an SG is imo wrong. If you want the woman tone don't go RiffRaffs or VHII's.
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Thanks a lot for your advices Dave Sloven !
You're my Man :afro:!
I think I don't really need a Noise Gate.
I really need a good Flanger and now I hesitate between MXR 117R and EVH Flanger.
I don't like the finish of EVH, so if the only difference is the incorporation of a VH Sound Switch, I think going M117-R that I hope it will give me the "VH Sound" too w/his 4 knobs.
I like Earthquaker Devices, I have a Dipsatch Master and it4s a good Reverb/Delay : 2 in 1 box !
To get back to the SG pickups, and as ypu suggest, I will ask BKP via email which neck pickup will match best with the bridge pickup and do the tones you want it to do.
Currently I am totally lost, I read and listened all your references.
I'm not a big fan a ceramic pickups, so I don't want a ceremic bridge.
Currently a set oh VHII and a set of Emerald are the first.
Again, I would hope that news informations are used to reduce the information to the lowest common denominator to find the Right Set for the Right Sound !
ThX Everybody and Love from France Dave Sloven
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Dave, this is the mail :
Dear BKP Team,
I posted some posts on the forum BKP to consider a change pickup's of my Gibson SG Full Mahogany.
Here the link of the topic : https://forum.bareknucklepickups.co.uk/index.php?topic=35036.0
Dave Sloven gave me some valuable advice.
It's a great Man !
Could you help me to define the Set that will best fit my specifications ?
Again, I would hope that news informations are used to reduce the information to the lowest common denominator to find the Right Set for the Right Sound !
In advance thank you for your professionalism and your diligences.
A future customer,
Eloi from France
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The customer service is amazing !
I have already received an answer.
Here is the answer :
"For Clapton's early tone I recommend The Mules.
For classic punk I would go for the Riff Raff set.
I don't think you need to go any hotter based on what you've told me, and from reading the forum thread.
Kind Regards,
Ben French"
And here is my new question:
"Thanks for this quick reply !
I don't like the tone of The Mule.
I only try it on a LP, and I don't like this "Muddy" Tone.
I know that "Woman Tone" need this, but I don't like this.
My first goal is my Punk/Hardcore Band.
Cover songs from early 70's (ex. The Damned), 80's (ex. Bad Brains) to 90's (ex. BodyCount).
I'm afraid that these Riff Raffs have the output level enough to cover this sound palette.
I contacted my luthier and my luthier tells me that pickups loaded medium high with more treble could satisfy me.
According to him, pickups loaded in high midrange and treble could make this guitar more nervous!
And erase the dark side of mahogany.
Again, I would hope that news informations are used to reduce the information to the lowest common denominator to find the Right Set for the Right Sound !
In advance thank you for your professionalism and your diligences."
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I have Mules in an all mahogany Saint Blues Mississippi Bluesmaster and they sound glorious. The idea that Mules won't do in an SG is imo wrong. If you want the woman tone don't go RiffRaffs or VHII's.
TeleRocker, you're right !
BKP Team loves The Mules too for "Woman Tone" !
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The customer service is really amazing !
I have already received an answer.
Here is the answer :
"I might have missed the Bodycount reference and we'll ignore the woman tone then? Bodycount's tone is more compressed, more modern, more sustain than punk, a ceramic magnet pickup may be the way to go then - Cold Sweats would do that, and I know one other forum member also mentioned them."
Here is my new question :
"At first, I would like to find the right set for 70's, 80's and 90's.
We pick up more "Punk" songs than Body Count titles.
Body Count is the extreme I want to cover.
It's mostly "Punk" and "Post Punk" from the late 70's and early 80's that I want to cover effectively.
I am not a big fan of ceramics.
I do not like the sounds too compressed.
I would like to order a calibrated set.
Would you have any other ideas than this Cold Sweat that are recommended me only in Neck finally with a Miracle Man in Bridge ?
Again, I would hope that news informations are used to reduce the information to the lowest common denominator to find the Right Set for the Right Sound !
In advance thank you for your professionalism and your diligences."
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I would suspect that mud in a LP is because of a LP. An SG would be far less muddy in the low mids.
Since 'woman tone is a neck pickup thing and punk can be played on a bridge pickup, the solution is obvious.
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the VHII set sounds great in SGs
a lot like the riff raffs, but punchier
they balance really well with the SG mid heavy voicing
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As someone who's used a Cold Sweat calibrated set in an SG I can say that I think it was great and also that it does not sound like your typical ceramic pickup at all.
I would have bought mine in 53mm spacing though if I did it again, because the bridge spacing on my 498T was actually closer to 53mm than 50mm
VHII set would be my other recommendation
Miracle Man does sound more ceramic.
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Here is my new question to Bare Knuckle :
"Hi Ben,
Thanks for this quick reply !
At first, I would like to find the right set for 70's, 80's and 90's.
We pick up more "Punk" songs than Body Count titles.
Body Count is the extreme I want to cover.
It's mostly "Punk" and "Post Punk" from the late 70's and early 80's that I want to cover effectively.
I am not a big fan of ceramics.
I do not like the sounds too compressed.
I would like to order a calibrated set.
Would you have any other ideas than this Cold Sweat that are recommended me only in Neck finally with a Miracle Man in Bridge ?
Again, I would hope that news informations are used to reduce the information to the lowest common denominator to find the Right Set for the Right Sound !
In advance thank you for your professionalism and your diligences."
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The VHII set sounds great in SGs.
A lot like the Riff Raffs, but punchier.
They balance really well with the SG mid heavy voicing.
My thanks EricSabbath !
Dave Sloven told me like you that VHII sounded perfectly and meet my needs.
I admit that I really want to be tempted by your suggestions Dude !
Thanks again for your advice :laugh: !
As someone who's used a Cold Sweat calibrated set in an SG I can say that I think it was great and also that it does not sound like your typical ceramic pickup at all.
I would have bought mine in 53mm spacing though if I did it again, because the bridge spacing on my 498T was actually closer to 53mm than 50mm.
VHII set would be my other recommendation
Miracle Man does sound more ceramic.
You're my Man and you know it Dave Sloven :afro: !
Today n' thanks to you, I've a more precise idea of the choices that propose to me :
- VHII Calibrated Set
- Cold Sweat Calibrated Set
And as you suggest, I will be very careful when choosing spacing !
ThX Everybody and Love from France
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The customer service is awesome !
Bare Knucle, you're Masters.
I have already received an answer !
Here is the answer :
"We're back to the Riff Raffs then.
Great for classic punk styles, and great in an SG !
Kind Regards,
Ben French"
Analysis :
If I analyze all this information, there are three solutions to this equation :
- VHII Calibrated Set
- Cold Sweat Calibrated Set
- Riff Raff Calibrated Set
And I recognize that this equation and its solution are not easy to solve. Help me !
ThX Everybody and Love from France
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Of the three the Cold Sweat has the most bottom end. It can do Judas Priest (at least up to Ram It Down), early Metallica, early Slayer, Accept, KISS, late Thin Lizzy, Scorpions, and a heap of other classic metal sounds as well as punk stuff in an SG. Of the three it would probably be the best for palm-muting. The neck is very well suited to shredding, with a dark, round, fluid sound. Out of the three it would be the best for stuff like tapping.
Riff Raff is going to give you raunchy rock sounds of the '70s and can do a lot of heavier stuff as well, especially if you have a gutsy amp. If you have a little amp you might find it lacking a bit of bottom end in an SG. Overall though it is excellent. The neck is brighter than the neck in the other two sets. Think Angus Young.
The VHII would be a great middle ground between the two. It should be able to do most of what the other two sets could do.
The VHII and CS are more similar to one another than to the RR. The RR is more related to the Emerald and Rebel Yell and has a stronger emphasis on high mids.
The other thing is that 'punk' means different things to different people. If you are thinking more toward stuff like The Damned, then definitely the Riff Raff. If you are thinking Discharge I would go for one of the chunkier, more metal sounding pickups like the Cold Sweat. As I said the VHII represents a bit of a middle ground and I think could get you into both ballparks
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the neck vhII in the bridge position sounds a lot like the bridge riff raff
the bridge vhii has a lot of raw output and a lot more low end
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Personally my view is that you need bottom end from the pickup in an SG so that sounds good. A bit of a mid scoop or hollow mids also works well in SGs because they bring a lot of mids to the table.
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The customer service is so good !
I have already received an answer.
Here is the answer :
"You said: "It's mostly "Punk" and "Post Punk" from the late 70's and early 80's that I want to cover effectively."
For that I recommend the Riff Raffs, but the choice is yours.
Kind Regards,
Ben French"
I think the Customer Service has just confirmed Dave Sloven's opinion on RRs.
Now remains to make a choice among these three beautiful sets !
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The Competition is open between VHII vs Cold Sweat :evil:
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Good evening everyone,
Would you have an idea of the set that would allow me to approach the sound that John McGeoch got with his Yamaha2000 ?
I know that the violin of these Yamaha is closer to the violin of a Les Paul than a SG.
There may be a set that would allow me to approach all my influences including the important influence of John McGeoch that I have forgotten to clarify.
Here I promise you to no longer add unknowns in the equation :afro:
Thanks again to everyone !
LOVE from France
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In fact, I think I need a set that gives me both bright and tight.
I think I need a very "Nasty Clean Sound" AND a sort of "80's Dirt Sound" from "Brown Sound" to "Bay Area Sound".
But, this "Nasty Clean Sound" is absolutely essential.
I think of John McGeoch's sound in Magazine
ThX & Love From France
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I would tend to go with ericsabbath's recommendation of the VHII set. It has the bonus of that darker neck pickup sound that you seem to like.
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The customer service is really amazing !
I have already received an answer.
Here is the answer :
"Ok, so the Yamahas might be slightly thicker?
I still say Riff Raffs based on what you've told me.
But if you prefer the tone of another set then go for what pickups you want.
Kind Regards,
Ben French"
I keep hesitating between the three sets (RR-VHII-CS) and I promised myself to place my order on Saturday at the latest !
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I would tend to go with Ericsabbath's recommendation of the VHII set.
It has the bonus of that darker neck pickup sound that you seem to like.
Another Specials Thanks Dave Sloven !
Are you Guitar Tech ? You should !
I keep hesitating between the three sets (RR-VHII-CS) and I promised myself to place my order on Saturday at the latest !
ThX et Love from France.
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Whichever set you go for make sure you get long legs. They are a must on an SG with pickguard mounted pickups (batwing pickguard).
53mm is probably your best bet. My 2011 498T was 53mm. The TonePros replacement Nashville bridges are all 53mm if you buy them pre-notched. Obviously if you ever fit a Floyd Rose FRX they are 53mm too.
I have not owned the other two sets. I can say that I was always very happy with the Cold Sweat bridge in my SG. I did feel that I might have liked a different neck pickup though, maybe an Emerald. I fitted an Emerald set to a friend's Les Paul and really liked the tone. I wouldn't fit an Emerald bridge to an SG though.
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This isn't really a recommendation for "Punk & Post Punk Tone" , but a ceramic nailbomb in an SG is absolute KILLER. I have them in my SG and it's seriously one of the most beautiful things i've ever experienced.
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This isn't really a recommendation for "Punk & Post Punk Tone" , but a ceramic nailbomb in an SG is absolute KILLER. I have them in my SG and it's seriously one of the most beautiful things i've ever experienced.
What "Sound Territory" do you cover with this Nailbomb's Set ?
(A5 Neck & Ceramic Bridge)
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I can say that I was always very happy with the Cold Sweat bridge in my SG.
Special Thanks Dave Sloven. Again.
You think the Ceramic Bridge Cold Sweat is comparable to Ceramic Gibson 500T ?
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I don't think it is as hot and compressed as the 500T. By all accounts the closest BKP to the 500T is the ceramic Nailbomb.
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Cold Sweat & Abraxis comparison video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMXAwaYcJRQ
The Abraxas is warmer and fatter, the Cold Sweat has more cut with distortion.
A-Bomb vs Cold Sweat vs SD Black Winter:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IealQiVgf2s
The Cold Sweat is more 'civilized' sounding than the other two in high-gain settings (comments are all in Brazilian Portuguese)
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ThX Dave Sloven :afro:
Love From France
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I don't think it is as hot and compressed as the 500T. By all accounts the closest BKP to the 500T is the ceramic Nailbomb.
If I understand correctly Ceramic Nailbombs boxing in the category of Ceramic SD's Invaders ?
Like the first Metallica's sound (Before EMG's sound).
ThX Dave Sloven :afro:
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Nailbomb are such pissed off pickups.
Probably not getting woman tone from there.
Warpig is closer to invader in terms of low mid focus and smoother highs. I heard a comparison between warpig and invader. Invader is more wooly and saturated while warpig is more clear and articulate.
I can get great punk toned with a MB Electra Dyne and A-bomb loaded LP. I suspect less mids in a C-bomb would take nicely to an SG but I cannot comment on the versatility of such a set up.
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Oh dear, woman tone and Nailbombs...
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I really appreciate the "Woman Tone".
But it's obvious that it's not the sound I'm going to use the most in my Punk-Crossover Band.
For example, I enjoy Andy Cairns' sound of Therapy?.
To my knowledge he uses a 500T straight in JCM900.
Besides the punk tones, those are really those sounds that I want to approach with this SG :
The first tones of Metallica or Slayer, the tone of Body Count, Bad Brains's tone or that of Andy Cairns.
While still playing Punk Old School like The Damned.
My Guitar Tech recommends me to find pickups loaded High Midrange and Treble to compensate for the dark side of the mahogany of the SG.
Again thank you all for your advice to find the right set for the right guitar!
Love From France
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Oh dear, woman tone and Nailbombs...
I gave up the idea of nailing the" Woman Tone".
I want to limit this SG to my Punk Crossover band (Bad Brains, Therapy? Body Count and early Bay Area's tone)
So I need a set of BKP just covering this tone.
ThX All !
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Has your tech ever heard your SG? All of the ones I've ever heard have been bright, middy, and lacking in bottom end. Even with Warpigs.
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Out of the BKP range I think the Cold Sweat will get you closest to the early Slayer and Metallica tone. The Miracle Man will also get close. Actually the Miracle Man is what I replaced the Cold Sweat in my SG with, and it gives more chunk to palm mutes.
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Has your tech ever heard your SG? All of the ones I've ever heard have been bright, middy, and lacking in bottom end. Even with Warpigs.
Yes my technician has been working on this guitar for a long time.
This SG belonged before to two Prog/Black Metal guitarists who played a lot of concerts w/it.
Indeed, the mahogany makes it particularly dark, which was not displeasing to the two previous owners!
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Out of the BKP range I think the Cold Sweat will get you closest to the early Slayer and Metallica tone.
The Miracle Man will also get close.
Actually the Miracle Man is what I replaced the Cold Sweat in my SG with, and it gives more chunk to palm mutes.
I'm afraid these pickups scoop too high mids.
I think I need mids for classic punk songs.
I need chunk to palm mutes, and I need mids for "Classic UK Punk".
Not easy...
ThX Again Dave Sloven, you're a True Master
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The ceramic Nailbomb will be hairy but not as overpowering as the alnico version
Not as scooped as the Cold Sweat and Miracle Man
The VHII, Cold Sweat, and Miracle Man are all superior to the C-Bomb for lead work though. With a Nailbomb you have to rely on your neck pickup more for leads
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A bit of a gamble, but maybe the Ragnarok migth be your cup of tea.
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New Question to Customer Service.
The Question : "I will need a new advice from you !
I really appreciate the "Woman Tone". But it's obvious that it's not the sound I'm going to use the most in my Punk-Crossover Band.
My Guitar Tech advises me to find pickups w/high midrange and more treble to compensate the dark side of the mahogany of the SG.
For example, I enjoy Andy Cairns' sound of Therapy?.
To my knowledge he uses a 500T straight in JCM900.
Besides the punk tones, those are really those sounds that I want to approach with this Gibons SG :
The first tones of Metallica (First LP), the tone of Body Count, Bad Brains's tone or that of Andy Cairns.
While still playing Punk Old School like The Damned.
Again thank you all for your advice to find the right set for the right guitar!"
The Answer : "The Cold Sweat bridge is closest to the 500t.
Any had some of our pickups but I can't remember what they were - but the Cold Sweats would be very good for his tone actually (great band too).
Good luck! "
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A bit of a gamble, but maybe the Ragnarok migth be your cup of tea.
ThX Telerocker for this advice !
I'm not a gambler n' don't want to play Russian Roulette :evil:!
The Ragnarok's EQ is balanced to the point where you won't lose the low mids in favour of the top end.
Ok but, I need high mids and a little bit more of Treble than my 498T.
Another opinion/advice about Ragnarok ?
ThX All & Love From France
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The ceramic Nailbomb will be hairy but not as overpowering as the alnico version
Not as scooped as the Cold Sweat and Miracle Man
The VHII, Cold Sweat, and Miracle Man are all superior to the C-Bomb for lead work though.
With a Nailbomb you have to rely on your neck pickup more for leads
Here's the Great Master Dave Solven !
I'm not a lead guitarist.
I'm a rhythm guitarist.
Love big bass lines, groove and hip-hop.
I want to find the best BKP Set to boost my rhythm while keeping in mind the sounds of early Metallica, Body Count, Bad Brains, Therapy?, UK/US Punk...
And my need for treble and high mediums !
It's the equation to solve :afro:
If you think that C-Bomb Bridge groove for me, it's perfect !
Need to be sure of my choice Bro' !
ThX All & Love From France
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I found the medium gain samples of the Ragnarok quite happening, but for rhythm parts the C-Bomb does a nice job.
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c-bomb is a lot closer to the 500t than the cold sweat
it has a darker voicing, though, a bit like the 498t
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I found the medium gain samples of the Ragnarok quite happening, but for rhythm parts the C-Bomb does a nice job.
After listening carefully, I share your opinion, Ragnarok is an interesting option as well.
You are a my Man Mr TeleRocker !
ThX All & Love From France
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Does any of you have an opinion about a set of Black Hawk ?
ThX All & Love From France
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c-bomb is a lot closer to the 500t than the cold sweat
it has a darker voicing, though, a bit like the 498t
I prefer C-Bombs to Cold Sweat.
ThX All & Love From France
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Blackhawks are punchy, tight and clear, yet I find them a tad sterile (maybe I should say: hifi on turbo) compared to other BKP's. But they might do the trick for you.
http://www.musicradar.com/reviews/guitars/bare-knuckle-black-hawk-567380 (http://www.musicradar.com/reviews/guitars/bare-knuckle-black-hawk-567380)
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Blackhawks are punchy, tight and clear, yet I find them a tad sterile (maybe I should say: hifi on turbo) compared to other BKP's. But they might do the trick for you.
http://www.musicradar.com/reviews/guitars/bare-knuckle-black-hawk-567380 (http://www.musicradar.com/reviews/guitars/bare-knuckle-black-hawk-567380)
This review is one way !
Everything seems perfect with this set. Maybe too...
I understand what you mean by "a tad sterile".
Relevant review ?
Any Black Hawks's users ?
Thinking that the right B-Hawks's set is C-A5
Trying to imagine this set in a Thiele loaded w.EV' for real HiFi Tone :afro:
I saw several Parisian "Crossover Punk Metal" bands playing with Orange head and Mesa Thiele w/EV' and their sound was absolutely huge !
ThX All & Love From France
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Blackhawks are punchy, tight and clear, yet I find them a tad sterile (maybe I should say: hifi on turbo) compared to other BKP's. But they might do the trick for you.
http://www.musicradar.com/reviews/guitars/bare-knuckle-black-hawk-567380 (http://www.musicradar.com/reviews/guitars/bare-knuckle-black-hawk-567380)
This review is one way !
Everything seems perfect with this set. Maybe too...
I understand what you mean by "a tad sterile".
Relevant review ?
Any Black Hawks's users ?
Thinking that the right B-Hawks's set is C-A5
Trying to imagine this set in a Thiele loaded w.EV' for real HiFi Tone :afro:
I saw several Parisian "Crossover Punk Metal" bands playing with Orange head and Mesa Thiele w/EV' and their sound was absolutely huge !
ThX All & Love From France
Probably the Orange has a big part in that sound. I have an Orange Rockerverb MKI with a HOOK 2x12 cab with WGS Veteran and WGS Hook ET Custom (type Celestion G12-65). With the master past 12.00 o'clock it is ferocious (loud).
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Huge not Loud Bro' :afro:
No one on Black Hawks ?
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Huge not Loud Bro' :afro:
No one on Black Hawks ?
Hahaha, guess what, it's huge sounding too, especially on this cab.
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No one for a Black Hawks review ?
No one to give advice for Modern Punk Set ?
I really have to finalize my order quickly :afro:!
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I don't know forummembers that own the Blackhawk. I would give them a go. BKP has a good returnpolicy.
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At this moment, here is a first selection widened to 5 possible set :
* After Math
* Black Dog
* Black Hawk
* C-Bomb / A-Bomb
* Miracle Man
Help me !
ThX & Love From France
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Out of those sets, the Miracle Man has easily the best track record in SGs.
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Out of those sets, the Miracle Man has easily the best track record in SGs.
That is of course bec is one of the oldest BKP, so a long track record. I never heard a Blackhawk in an SG by example.
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Out of those sets, the Miracle Man has easily the best track record in SGs.
In both Bridge and Neck Dave ?
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Out of those sets, the Miracle Man has easily the best track record in SGs.
That is of course bec is one of the oldest BKP, so a long track record. I never heard a Blackhawk in an SG by example.
I've never heard of Black Hawk in an SG.
Who said "Gamble" ?
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I have a Cold Sweat neck pickup and a Miracle Man bridge, which is a popular combination, but I've seen good reviews of the Miracle Man set here as well.
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ThX Dave !
During this evening rehearsal, we exclusively cover Body Count songs.
I think now that I only need the BKP Set that will give me that "BC Tone".
I read an interview in which Ice-T declared that the sound he had in mind when BC was born was "Slayer's Tone" (from "Show No Mercy" to "South of Heaven")
So, I think that I need the BKP Set that will give me "Slayer's Tone" & "BC Tone" w/ a full mahogany SG.
That's my conclusion, help me finish this job :afro:!
ThX All & Love From France.
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Well that's going to be either a Cold Sweat or a Miracle Man. I think you could get early Slayer tone from either. MM is probably the better bet
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Thanks Dave :afro:
You're a True Master.
I will listen to more sample of the two sets to finally decide !
Miracle Man or Cold Sweat ?
And if any of you have any other ideas to give this SG the desired tone, let me know quickly !
ThX All & Love From France
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I reread carefully all the messages we wrote.
It seems that in the minds of others, Cold Sweat quickly became obvious.
Is it a sign of destiny?
In France, it is said that one must always follow one's first intuition.
Dave Sloven, what was the first set that you thought for me ?
A Miracle Man Set or a Cold Sweat Set ?
Thank you all again and Merry Christmas !
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My first guess was the VHII.
Out of pickups I have actually played, my first choice was the Cold Sweat.
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Yes you are absolutely right.
But I evolved in the meantime and I chose to dedicate this guitar to a specific style allowing me to cover only but retains the tones of BodyCount and other PunkHardcore bands.
It remains to choose the right set, but quickly because I must imperatively place my order before Christmas :afro:
Thank you all again and Merry Christmas !
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It remains to choose the right set, but quickly because I must imperatively place my order before Christmas :afro:
Lol......bit late dude
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It remains to choose the right set, but quickly because I must imperatively place my order before Christmas :afro:
Lol......bit late dude
You're right :grin:
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I have a Cold Sweat neck pickup and a Miracle Man bridge, which is a popular combination, but I've seen good reviews of the Miracle Man set here as well.
Dave, I'm going to need your knowledge again.
Could you tell me the value of tone and volume pots mounted on your SG with the MM / CS set?
ThX & Merry Christmas !
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I think my choice will stop on a Cold Sweat Set.
First of all, I think I like the ryhmic parts of the Miracle Man and the Cold Sweat.
They both meet my expectations.
And then, reading you again, I realize that many users associate a Miracle Man Bridge with a Cold Sweat Neck.
The Neck of the Cold Sweat is therefore superior to the Neck of the Miracle Man.
As I have both the Bridge Miracle Man and the Cold Sweat, the choice of calibrated set seems wise.
BareKnuckle's R & D is making great efforts to calibrate sets, so make the most of them !
What's fun is that in the end, it was by choosing the Neck that I got to determine the right Set :afro:!
And of course thanks to your help everyone :cool:
Moreover, if my choice suggests comments from you, I'll be happy to read them !
Thanks again to everyone !
Merry Chrsitmas & Love From France
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My advice is to stick with the standard pots at first and see how you like them. If you want to brighten the sound you can do that by increasing the pot values to 500K
Hard to go wrong with the Cold Sweat set in a mahogany guitar
Christmas here already in Australia.
Have a good one
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My advice is to stick with the standard pots at first and see how you like them. If you want to brighten the sound you can do that by increasing the pot values to 500K
Hard to go wrong with the Cold Sweat set in a mahogany guitar
Christmas here already in Australia.
Have a good one
I think the default value of my pots is 500K :huh: ?
Merry Chrsitmas & Love From France
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The volume pots are most likely 300K
Tone pots might be 500K
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The volume pots are most likely 300K
Tone pots might be 500K
W/ your SG, you increase value of Volume & Tone Pot to 500 K ?
ThX Dave !
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I did, but then I reverted to a standard Gibson harness because the 500K '50s wired harness was too bright
My advice is to fit the pickups and if you think it is too dark change the pots then. You might find that they sound great with what's already in there. The conventional wisdom isn't always what's best for you.
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It's a very good idea Dave !
Let's try and see :afro:
53 mm spaced Bridge and 50 mm spaced Neck ?
Right ?
ThX & Love From France
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Dave, you increase the gauge of yours strings w/ Gibson SG 24.75 neck ?
Thx !
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Yes 53mm long legs chrome covers for that model
For strings it depends on the tuning.
In standard EADGBE tuning I always use Ernie Ball Hybrid Slinky 9-46
In DGCFAD I use Ernie Ball Skinny Top Heavy Bottom 10-52
In CFA#D#GC I use D'Addario EXL117 11-56 (with a wound 3rd [D'Addario NW19] if topwrapping the strings)
I like the strings fairly light though, others would use heavier.
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I'm use heavier !
11-53 for 24.75 :afro:
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Yes 53mm long legs chrome covers for that model
No cover for me !
53mm longs for this model ?
ThX Dave
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The late '00s early '10s SGs with the 498T seem to be 53mm
Yes long legs with large pickguard SGs otherwise the pickups won't adjust properly
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The late '00s early '10s SGs with the 498T seem to be 53mm
Yes long legs with large pickguard SGs otherwise the pickups won't adjust properly
Thx Dave :afro:
And for the Neck, it's 50mm ?
ThX a Lot Dave
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There's only one spacing for the neck, that's why they don't ask (it's 50mm)
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Thx a lot Dave :afro:
When I ordered the set of Cold Sweat I had the bad idea to go listen to the samples of the Aftermath.
And here I am again to doubt and I did not order !
Looking at the technical specifications of each set, I get the impression that the Aftermath is more like the voice of an SG.
Focus Mids and Bass mastered to respond to mahogany.
Treble less accented and therefore better coordinated to a SG
Aftermath or Cold Sweat ?
Thanks again to all, and forgive me for this backtracking.
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You could try the Aftermath, but I suspect that you will be disappointed.
The guitar would end up sounding quite nasal I would think. Mids piled on mids.
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The Aftermath has a screechy attack, you have to like that.
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Your analyzes are relevant.
I really like this grumpy/screechy tone.
Very Punk for my taste, between a typical tone Telecaster and the output level of a high-gain humbucker.
I'm really scared of being wrong, and it's true that the risk is stacking mediums.
But I would like to avoid a microphone too high and too serious.
And I'm afraid the Cold Sweat is too charged in highs.
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Happy New Year Bro' :afro:
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A prediction on the result of the ColdSweat vs. AfterMatth match on a full mahogany SG ?
The goal is to sound like "BodyCount", like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuag9wcGYI0
Like "BioHazard", like "BadBrains"...
Anyone for the guitar rig of Biohazard ?
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New Title for a New Year :afro:
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My advice is to buy one of them and try it.
Settings on your amp make as big a difference as anything else.
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You're absolutely right Dave, it's time to make a decision.
I will roll a die to choose because it is impossible for me to make a choice :embarrassed:
ThX All & Happy New Year.
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The alnico nailbomb kinda sits between the aftermath and cold sweat
It's aggressive and abrasive in the middle like the aftermath, but thick in the bass like the cold sweat
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You further complicate the equation Bro' :afro:
It's really not easy to make the right choice, you know...
Thx Eric & Happy New Year !
N.B. : Eric, did you set the Black Dog set on which guitar ?
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The A-bomb in my SG was very aggressive, a real one-trick pony
I like it a lot better in my Explorer.
My advice is to be very wary of it in an SG. A VHII would be a better bet if you want something like a Cold Sweat with more mids
Also the Black Dog seems like it would be better in an SG than either the Aftermath or the A-Bomb
If you want to go Nailbomb get the C-Bomb.
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Thank you very much for your wise advice Dave.
I was decided to leave on a Set of Cold Sweats, and then after talking to my guitar tech, it indicated that Cold Sweat was probably too busy in highs, much like Miracle Man.
I have to find a set to better control the bass that mahogany will give naturally and treble natural to all SG.
After listening and analyzing the technical specifications, I thought Aftermath matched my research.
After an exchange with you, it seems that the Aftermath is a bad choice for my SG.
Finally, and after listening, I don't appreciate VHII or other C / A-Bombs.
I have listened to many times the samples of the Black Dog and I recognize that appreciates.
I did not even listen to them, they are indeed categorized "Vintage Hot" but to my ears, they cover a wider area than the '60s and' 70s.
You think that this set of Black Dog could cover the tone of BodyCount or BioHazard ?
And besides, if you had an amp to advise for these tones, you would advise which?
Thank you all again for your help !
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I haven't listened to Body Count or Biohazard in twenty years, sorry.
Seems like you have too many people giving you advice, and you are confused. I really don't know what to say. You will need to trust your own ears. Just remember that the SG is a funny beast, and tends to be predominantly mid-mids and low-mids and lacking true bass compared to an Explorer or even a Les Paul. All of the humbucker sound clips on the BKP site are recorded in a Les Paul.
In the contemporary range the pickups that have good results in SGs are:
Cold Sweat
Miracle Man
A-Pig
C-Pig
C-Bomb
In the vintage hot:
VHII
Black Dog
In vintage:
all as far as I can tell.
Out of my SGs my favourite is the one with the Stockholm, but that's a P-90 and it takes a special hand to keep that under control.
I recorded a very sloppy demo with it years ago. I am playing the rhythm part. The lead guitarist is using a Tele with a Seymour Duncan Quarter Pounder.
https://teraniapunk.bandcamp.com/album/demo-2015
I left that band at the end of 2015.
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ThX Dave, you have summed up the situation perfectly.
My ears are almost tired of listening to so many demos.
I think you made a very good list of sets giving excellent results with an SG.
I thank you very much, now it's my turn to make my choice, and to decide on the sets of the list that you submitted me!
And you should listen to BodyCount or Biohazard, it has not aged, not a wrinkle :afro:
ThX Dave
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And I understand your advice better since you told me that all the demos were recorded on Les Paul.
I thought they had used a Stratocaster HH like a Suhr.
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Having failed to decide for a Bare Knuckle Set, I finally compulsively bought a Lace Hammer Claws Set.
I hope I did not make a big mistake ...
:huh:
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Having failed to decide for a Bare Knuckle Set, I finally compulsively bought a Lace Hammer Claws Set.
I hope I did not make a big mistake ...
:huh:
What is the price difference?
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So I understand you kept us busy 8 pages to buy another brand?
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Having failed to decide for a Bare Knuckle Set, I finally compulsively bought a Lace Hammer Claws Set.
I hope I did not make a big mistake ...
:huh:
What is the price difference?
Maybe 80 Bucks...
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So I understand you kept us busy 8 pages to buy another brand?
Right :cry:
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Yep. I'm out. :rolleyes: